Enlightened by God

[Nakosis]

They in my case, drove me into madness.

I at least understand this.
Lots of "gods" one can find. At some point it can drive you mad.
That's why I had to let go of all gods to regain my sanity.

 

[Nakosis]

Love enlightens. Without love, people tend to ignore those they hate, or only show negative reactions. Haters don't believe anything good can come from those they despise.

There is none of us so good that we aren't capable of evil. And none of us so evil that we don't have the potential for good. - Edgar Cayce

Without love or hate, there is no reason to ignore.
You seem to imply love is needed to counter hate.
How about not playing with either?

 

[Link]

I at least understand this.
Lots of "gods" one can find. At some point it can drive you mad.
That's why I had to let go of all gods to regain my sanity.

But it's same with yourself. There are many conceptions of what a human truly is and meant to be, but at that end, who you are is real, and so you are to recognize yourself through the true judgment which emanates from God through his witness and the witness from him looking at you.

You have viewpoints that cover who you truly are, and you have viewpoints that give you insights to who you are.

You have to distinguish. "Whoever knows their own soul know their lord"

 

[RestlessSoul]

Without love or hate, there is no reason to ignore.
You seem to imply love is needed to counter hate.
How about not playing with either?

A life where you dismiss the value love? Is that what you mean?

 

[Nakosis]

A life where you dismiss the value love? Is that what you mean?

A life where you dismiss nothing.
Hate, love, greed, charity etc...
Lots of emotions/feelings avail themselves.
Nothing wrong with any of them as long as you don't get attached.

 

[RestlessSoul]

A life where you dismiss nothing.
Hate, love, greed, charity etc...
Lots of emotions/feelings avail themselves.
Nothing wrong with any of them as long as you don't get attached.

I think detachment from emotions is healthy (suppressing them isn’t). But I think love is more than an emotion - love is the most powerful energy in the universe, it is the source of creation, the alpha and the omega.

In my opinion, as a certain poster often says.

 

[Nakosis]

I think detachment from emotions is healthy (suppressing them isn’t). But I think love is more than an emotion - love is the most powerful energy in the universe, it is the source of creation, the alpha and the omega.

In my opinion, as a certain poster often says.

Ok, fair enough.
I can't say my view is the correct one. I see love as a biochemical reaction in the brain.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Ok, fair enough.
I can't say my view is the correct one. I see love as a biochemical reaction in the brain.

Yeah, could be that. Also more than that, I reckon. Perhaps.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Has anyone felt God's presence?

I have, and I would describe it as enlightening.
Was it actually God? IDK, but the experience seemed to fit he bill of what I thought God's presence ought to feel like.

So we feel this presence and through it, justify our belief in God.
Through this personal experience.

Do you justify your belief through such an experience or do you have other means of justifying your belief in God?

Impossible to say. How would I know it is God and not just my interpretation that it was God? No way of verifying it.

I don’t believe we can ever know or experience God directly but we can know of Him through His Manifestations. So for example Christians come to know of God through Jesus, Muslims through Muhammad and myself through Baha’u’llah and all of Them.

I ‘feel the Presence of God’ when I read Their Words and/or pray to Them for They are like perfectly polished Mirrors reflecting the Spirit and Knowledge of God.

So when I read the Book of Certitude, the Quran, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Bible, the Zoroastrian truths, I feel a ‘connection to God’ that I don’t get from a novel or a priest.

And These Manifestations tell us about Who God is and what His attributes are and that He wants us to turn to Him as a child to its father or mother.

 

[DNB]

Has anyone felt God's presence?

I have, and I would describe it as enlightening.
Was it actually God? IDK, but the experience seemed to fit he bill of what I thought God's presence ought to feel like.

So we feel this presence and through it, justify our belief in God.
Through this personal experience.

Do you justify your belief through such an experience or do you have other means of justifying your belief in God?

Personal experiences and feelings are never trustworthy - the mind is extremely powerful, often beyond our imagination. One must have an external or impartial gauge in order to determine the reality and significance of their alleged epiphany.
We have conflicting religions and denominations all over the world, with their respective adherents all claiming to having experienced or witnessed a divine intervention, either in the physical world or within their spirit. And, again, their respective stories conflict as to how God interacts with humans, and what He tells them. Fundamentally, they cannot all be true.

As a Christian, I compare my experiences with what I know to have occurred in the Bible, and then, I ask is there wisdom behind what was perceived to be given to me, and does it ultimately glorify God. Otherwise, it was just my vain imagination.

 

[Clara Tea]

Has anyone felt God's presence?

I have, and I would describe it as enlightening.
Was it actually God? IDK, but the experience seemed to fit he bill of what I thought God's presence ought to feel like.

So we feel this presence and through it, justify our belief in God.
Through this personal experience.

Do you justify your belief through such an experience or do you have other means of justifying your belief in God?

Everything that I write is my opinion, unless I quote someone else (forum operators demanded that I make this clear):

God knows that Christ will either be dissected, ridiculed, ignored, or accused of blasphemy or fakery.

So, God has assigned some people the job of preparing the world for Christ's 2nd coming.

We are in the end times, because, as Revelation (a chapter of the bible) says, Iraq was attacked, in defiance of God's command to not attack it. So, Christ will make his presence known shortly.

The bible says that Christ will come with a tongue like a sword (that is, not as the meek and mild Jesus, centuries ago), and that means that Christ will blast humans for allowing wars, homelessness, starvation, diseases, etc. Mankind made a mess of the world by not following the bible.

Some people look at my comments and think that I hate religion. It isn't the religion that is bad. "Thou shalt not kill" is not bad. But, defying God and making wars, especially wars against innocent people (like Iraqis who were not involved in terrorism), and killing a million of them, bombing their nation, cutting off their utilities, corrupting their culture, etc., is morally and religiously wrong, and God vowed vengeance....hence, God will end the world.

No one likes a critic. Christ will come again (2nd coming) as a critic. God wants people to get used to critics. God wants us to notice the mess that the world is in, realize that it is in this mess at the hands of theists, and make the theists know that they are on the path to hell. I emphasize that religion is not to blame, but those who don't understand the religion are to blame.

Killing is wrong...it is the path to hell. Destroying God's environment for the greed of oil tycoons is wrong...it is the path to hell. Blocking universal health care is wrong (remember that Jesus healed the sick)....it is the path to hell.

You are right about sensing God's presence. Imagine how psychics must feel about God, because they are even more in tune with the spiritual world. Furthermore, God reached out to psychics and asked them to help. God gave psychic vision to St. John the Divine (author of Revelation...a chapter of the bible). God wanted a warning not to attack Babylon. But, God knew that a terrorist attack (911) would blind people to his commandment not to kill. God knew that the wrong enemy would be attacked (Iraq). So, God made it very plain, in Revelation, that we must not attack Babylon. God appointed psychics to be his modern day prophets, and tell the world not to attack Iraq. Many of these prophets were my personal friends.

But, everyone ignored the prophets of God. We live in a modern age of science, so very few believe in ESP (though proven by Dr. Jessica Utts), and very few believe that God would send prophets to earth in our lifetime to warn us about a catastrophic event (like the war in Iraq).

Are the prophets of God phony? Certainly their message is not phony (don't attack Iraq), because it is exactly the same message that is in the bible (chapter called Revelation). It is reiterated by the prophets of God because humans were about to sin against God and defy his commandment not to kill. God knew that Iraqis were innocent and would be corrupted.

God chose the most gifted psychics on earth to be his prophets. One used to work with the Central Intelligence Agency to locate a sunken Soviet submarine. Later, that psychic helped out at ARE (Association of Research and Englightenment....founded by the famous psychic Edgar Cayce). So we don't have to be suspicious that these psychics really know what they are doing.

We are headed for tough times, because these are the end times, when we must face God's wrath for attacking Iraq. So, faith will be shaken. God knows that those with lame excuses for believing in Him will likely lose faith entirely. God wants workers that He has chosen to strengthen their faith in him, and that strength comes from discussion. What might appear to be blasphemy might really be designed to create discussion.

I cannot say what my role is in all of this. God won't let me. God doesn't want people worshipping people. Only God is supposed to be worshipped. The prophets of God are all aware that they do God's work, and do not deserve the praise of others.

What it boils down to is: Make wars, go to hell. Follow God, go to heaven. We get to choose the correct side. I think that in our hearts, we can already tell the difference.

 

[Clara Tea]

Surely this is the issue - since you might be primed to interpret any such experience as being 'God's presence'. How could one determine this is the case from any number of other quite similar experiences or combinations of such to have produced this?

When Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden, God put Satan in charge of Earth. If someone senses a powerful entity, how do they know that they are not sensing Satan?

It is also the sensation of goodness that accompanies the sensation of great power. That is one way to tell if one is in contact with God or Satan. Another way to tell is to analyze the message. God wants you to do things that will help Him and yourself. Save the environment, help the poor, etc. Don't make wars, especially in haste before you determine if your enemy is guilty.

 

[Mock Turtle]

When Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden, God put Satan in charge of Earth. If someone senses a powerful entity, how do they know that they are not sensing Satan?

It is also the sensation of goodness that accompanies the sensation of great power. That is one way to tell if one is in contact with God or Satan. Another way to tell is to analyze the message. God wants you to do things that will help Him and yourself. Save the environment, help the poor, etc. Don't make wars, especially in haste before you determine if your enemy is guilty.

I'll stick with mind processes of an unknown variety - until we have better explanations for all such.

 

[stvdv]

Without love, people tend to ignore those they hate, or only show negative reactions

Very useful information

So, if people react negative to me, it means they "lack love"
And if I would reply reacting negative it means I "lack love"

 

[Fool]

Very useful information

So, if people react negative to me, it means they "lack love"
And if I would reply reacting negative it means I "lack love"

apathy or responding hatefully to someone isn't loving

 

[stvdv]

apathy or responding hatefully to someone isn't loving

I wasn't talking about "apathy"

 

[Fool]

I wasn't talking about "apathy"

so you took part of the subject matter vs the context; which included despising someone.


having been wronged and being angry about it, isn't a problem. hopefully the offending person would choose to correct the problem and mete justice but that isn't always the case.

despising someone for an instance of wrong, whether corrected, or not, and ignoring they have the potential to do good, and probably are doing some good, is painting a person into a black vs white scenario. it's a spectrum and not a polarization only.

 

[stvdv]

so you took part of the subject matter vs the context; which included despising someone.


having been wronged and being angry about it, isn't a problem. hopefully the offending person would choose to correct the problem and mete justice but that isn't always the case.

despising someone for an instance of wrong, whether corrected, or not, and ignoring they have the potential to do good, and probably are doing some good, is painting a person into a black vs white scenario. it's a spectrum and not a polarization only.

I do not despise people
I am not angry with people

Although I do believe that all have the potential to do good
I also know that people seldom change bad habits
Hence my list of friends is nice and small