Enlightenment... are you enlighten ?

[joea]

I'm not criticizing, just trying to nail down your question.

Anyway, I shy away from anyone who calls themself Enlightened. That's a label other people apply to you.

And I agree..peace to you

 

[Peacewise]

On september 5 2009, I was in my pc room studying business studies. I was looking down at the page and then I was no longer looking at the page or studying, but was instead in a flash of insight reviewing my entire life and seeing the why of many of my decisions - I understood myself in total.

Then some moments later I perceived the why of a wide variety of things to do with my society. I had a wonderful feeling of completely understanding everything that my mind considered, of having perfect clarity when observing anything, within or without.

The peak of that experience lasted some few minutes, but the clarity remained for another 7 days, then stopped for 7 days, then returned again but without the transition to such a high peak of experiencing wonder, yet after about six weeks the wonder of experiencing that clarity diminished, whilst the clarity remained it was no longer wonderful to experience it, instead I became content. From wonder to content was a touch of a let down, and after a few months of being content, I had a brief period of longing for that wonder again, and so lost even the contentment that I had achieved... then again I found the contentment - yet through all of that emotional change, my clarity remained.

The clarity remains to this day, as does a contentment and calmness within me that did not exist before, now i'm not claiming to always be calm, but far more often than not I was calm, and certainly much more than prior to sept 5th.

A practical example of how this changed my life was that there was a dramatic improvement in my squash playing. My fitness remained the same, but I now had an ability to select a better shot than ever before, to play that shot with more consistency and tightness to the wall, to use less energy whilst playing, to focus only on the game whilst playing, and to experience a letting go of the care for victory - and hence actually achieve victory quicker and with more ease and with more grace and humility.

Another practical example was that I studied for 12 hours a day for 3 months straight, slept about 3-4 hours a day and felt energized on that amount of sleep.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

On september 5 2009, I was in my pc room studying business studies. I was looking down at the page and then I was no longer looking at the page or studying, but was instead in a flash of insight reviewing my entire life and seeing the why of many of my decisions - I understood myself in total.

Then some moments later I perceived the why of a wide variety of things to do with my society. I had a wonderful feeling of completely understanding everything that my mind considered, of having perfect clarity when observing anything, within or without.

The peak of that experience lasted some few minutes, but the clarity remained for another 7 days, then stopped for 7 days, then returned again but without the transition to such a high peak of experiencing wonder, yet after about six weeks the wonder of experiencing that clarity diminished, whilst the clarity remained it was no longer wonderful to experience it, instead I became content. From wonder to content was a touch of a let down, and after a few months of being content, I had a brief period of longing for that wonder again, and so lost even the contentment that I had achieved... then again I found the contentment - yet through all of that emotional change, my clarity remained.

The clarity remains to this day, as does a contentment and calmness within me that did not exist before, now i'm not claiming to always be calm, but far more often than not I was calm, and certainly much more than prior to sept 5th.

A practical example of how this changed my life was that there was a dramatic improvement in my squash playing. My fitness remained the same, but I now had an ability to select a better shot than ever before, to play that shot with more consistency and tightness to the wall, to use less energy whilst playing, to focus only on the game whilst playing, and to experience a letting go of the care for victory - and hence actually achieve victory quicker and with more ease and with more grace and humility.

Another practical example was that I studied for 12 hours a day for 3 months straight, slept about 3-4 hours a day and felt energized on that amount of sleep.

It sounds like you accidentally eliminated a large number of thetans from your body.

 

[Peacewise]

It sounds like you accidentally eliminated a large number of thetans from your body.

atotalstranger would you care to elaborate on that statement please?

 

[Valjean]

It's a tongue-in-cheek allusion to Scientological mythology, Peacewise.

I had a similar experience whilst I was in college. It re-organised my whole intellect overnight. One semester I was barely avoiding academic probation, the next I was on the Dean's list despite spending much less time at my studies.
Very strange.

 

[Willowmina]

Quote:
Originally Posted by zenzero
Friend Onkarah,


Again *semantics*!
When one has merged the body is meaningless be it present or not; be it *you* or *me*.
Rgds *god* its is just a label for an understanding.
Love & rgds

all things are just a label...

Wordiness and intellection--
The more with them the further astray we go;
Away therefore with wordiness and intellection,
And there is no place where we cannot pass freely.

--on believing in mind (Seng-t'san)
__________________
When you're younger you can eat what you like, drink what you like, and still climb into your twenty-six-inch-waist trousers and zip them closed.Then you reach that age twenty-four, twenty-five, your muscles give up, wave a little white flag, and without any warning at all you're suddenly a fat **/quote]
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I would like to get into twenty-six-inch-waist trousers too but what would I be without my wordiness and intellection and my "little" material attachments?

 

[Twilight Hue]

On september 5 2009, I was in my pc room studying business studies. I was looking down at the page and then I was no longer looking at the page or studying, but was instead in a flash of insight reviewing my entire life and seeing the why of many of my decisions - I understood myself in total.

Then some moments later I perceived the why of a wide variety of things to do with my society. I had a wonderful feeling of completely understanding everything that my mind considered, of having perfect clarity when observing anything, within or without.

The peak of that experience lasted some few minutes, but the clarity remained for another 7 days, then stopped for 7 days, then returned again but without the transition to such a high peak of experiencing wonder, yet after about six weeks the wonder of experiencing that clarity diminished, whilst the clarity remained it was no longer wonderful to experience it, instead I became content. From wonder to content was a touch of a let down, and after a few months of being content, I had a brief period of longing for that wonder again, and so lost even the contentment that I had achieved... then again I found the contentment - yet through all of that emotional change, my clarity remained.

The clarity remains to this day, as does a contentment and calmness within me that did not exist before, now i'm not claiming to always be calm, but far more often than not I was calm, and certainly much more than prior to sept 5th.

A practical example of how this changed my life was that there was a dramatic improvement in my squash playing. My fitness remained the same, but I now had an ability to select a better shot than ever before, to play that shot with more consistency and tightness to the wall, to use less energy whilst playing, to focus only on the game whilst playing, and to experience a letting go of the care for victory - and hence actually achieve victory quicker and with more ease and with more grace and humility.

Another practical example was that I studied for 12 hours a day for 3 months straight, slept about 3-4 hours a day and felt energized on that amount of sleep.

I heard of instances of people experiencing and describing similar accounts of clarity and mentioning it being noticeably prominent and then retracting. Its significance in that it means a sharper focus and concentration has been developed. I take it that you maintain good discipline while engaged in your activities and tasks on hand prior to this occurring.

 

[Peacewise]

Well, that sense of enlightenment it is without words, but once it fades then a person will attempt to put it into words.
I imagine that an enlightened being talking to a person who is ready for enlightenment - would say nothing, instead merely be sitting in front of them smiling and awaiting the transcendence and knowing that there is nothing more to do than reveal that it is possible.

so it seems to me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, that sense of enlightenment it is without words, but once it fades then a person will attempt to put it into words.
I imagine that an enlightened being talking to a person who is ready for enlightenment - would say nothing, instead merely be sitting in front of them smiling and awaiting the transcendence and knowing that there is nothing more to do than reveal that it is possible.

so it seems to me.

[Raises Zen stick overhead and hits table]
True perception has no root.
Clear listening has no sound.
When you hear the beat of hooves
Don't say zebra, don't say horse.
[Raises Zen stick overhead and hits table]
One ear appears
all sounds appear.
One ear disappears
all sounds disappear.
[Raises Zen stick overhead and hits table]
If you have ears
I will hit you thirty times!
If you have no ears
I will hit you thirty times!
Why?
KATZ!! The roar of the great river
transforms heaven and earth.
The bald eagle rises slowly, slowly, slowly
In the clear blue sky.
Aiee, Aiee ... Aiee
-Transmission speech Zen master Dae Gak-

Caused me revisit the saying which states, "At the sound of a bell you attain enlightenment, and at the sound of the drum you fall down".

 

[Mr Cheese]

Quote:

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When you're younger you can eat what you like, drink what you like, and still climb into your twenty-six-inch-waist trousers and zip them closed.Then you reach that age twenty-four, twenty-five, your muscles give up, wave a little white flag, and without any warning at all you're suddenly a fat **/quote]
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I would like to get into twenty-six-inch-waist trousers too but what would I be without my wordiness and intellection and my "little" material attachments?

arnold Judas Rimmer...quoted in the song Surfing USM by Carter the unstoppable sex machine from the album 30 Something

also by arnold:

"Please rush me my portable walrus polishing kit. Four super brushes that will clean even the trickiest of seabound mammals. Yes, I am over eighteen, though my IQ isn't."

 

[zenzero]

Friend NowhereMan,

At the sound of a bell you attain enlightenment, and at the sound of the drum you fall down".

Beautiful saying
Your own understanding of it?

Love & rgds

 

[Peacewise]

I heard of instances of people experiencing and describing similar accounts of clarity and mentioning it being noticeably prominent and then retracting. Its significance in that it means a sharper focus and concentration has been developed. I take it that you maintain good discipline while engaged in your activities and tasks on hand prior to this occurring.

Yes, the task I had been immersed in was my self improvement for the benefit of another.

It was a relatively easy path for self improvement, I am quite lazy and my motivation to improve merely for myself is small, yet my motivation for the benefit of another is much larger.

It was and is love that motivates me, perhaps this is another reason why it happened - and worked. And that love for that one other blossomed and also carried over onto other people too, even strangers, putting a smile on my face in nearly all relationships no matter how fleeting.

 

[Willowmina]

Yes, the task I had been immersed in was my self improvement for the benefit of another.

It was a relatively easy path for self improvement, I am quite lazy and my motivation to improve merely for myself is small, yet my motivation for the benefit of another is much larger.

It was and is love that motivates me, perhaps this is another reason why it happened - and worked. And that love for that one other blossomed and also carried over onto other people too, even strangers, putting a smile on my face in nearly all relationships no matter how fleeting.

Love is truly a powerful motivation...and unconditional love even more so:yes:

 

[Octavia156]

How does one knows, if he's enlighten ?. can everybody attain enlightenment at some point in time ?. My understanding of this is lower case, thus the reason of bringing it up for more discussion.

I've heard enlightenment being described as akin to Silencing the Mind.

I imagine this to be when one is able to remove mental chatter and attain cessation of thought at will. Thus one is able to live in continuing state of perfect silence.

AC described enlightenment as The Great Work, The Summum Bonum, True Wisdom and Perfect Happiness.
:angel2:

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've heard enlightenment being described as akin to Silencing the Mind.

I imagine this to be when one is able to remove mental chatter and attain cessation of thought at will. Thus one is able to live in continuing state of perfect silence.

AC described enlightenment as The Great Work, The Summum Bonum, True Wisdom and Perfect Happiness.
:angel2:

How can someone can ever possibly still thoughts through all that noise???

"He was out working with his master, Gyokujun So-on on a bitterly cold winter day. They were cutting firewood. Suzuki's mind was wandering and he didn't notice as So-on pulled back the thin steel blade of his saw so that it bent into a U shape and let it snap onto the unsuspecting face of poor little Crooked Cucumber. It was an extremely painful bit of shocking feedback that Suzuki would never forget."
-Told to David Chadwick by Dennis Samson-

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

I am so enlightened. Way more enlightened than that other guy.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am so enlightened. Way more enlightened than that other guy.

Bragger. You aren't supposed to tell anyone that. :slap:

 

[Darkness]

Enlightenment is a lie of sorts. Everyhting is relative. My two cents.

 

[Octavia156]

How can someone can ever possibly still thoughts through all that noise???

Work, Will and Discipline.