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Environmental Extremism in California

Super Universe

Defender of God
See previous post for basic information about drip irrigation. It's not hard to find more references for this. Here are some others:
But I'm just about done doing your homework for you. If you won't provide citations and references, why should I? Pop into Web of Science, there's quite a literature on this topic. :D



Citation, please?

I still haven't found any evidence from the Pacific Institute for the statements you allege in the OP, by the way.




I don't do this often, but... I just...
:facepalm:

So, to you, NOT using the water flowing down from the mountains into the ocean is somehow "saving" it and using that water to provide clean energy and for washing and drinking, growing crops, well, that is actually wasting it.
 
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Super Universe

Defender of God
I'm a tree hugging , progressive liberal environmentalist hippy and I work as a logger.

Good for you. Finally someone with some sense. Using the available resources is not wasting them.

Does your company replant seedlings after cutting?

How do you remove the stumps?
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Good for you. Finally someone with some sense. Using the available resources is not wasting them.

Does your company replant seedlings after cutting?

How do you remove the stumps?
Yes replanting happens.though the company I work for isn't the one who does it, it's either the forest service who owns the land or the mill who owns the logging rights. It's forest agriculture. Substantially is the motto. Huge difference between logging and deforestation.

I'm not sure if we/they do. Or if they do, how.
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
After reading the thread to this point I can only make one comment. Super Universe, we can all explain it to you, but none of us can understand it for you!
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
After reading the thread to this point I can only make one comment. Super Universe, we can all explain it to you, but none of us can understand it for you!

You're the one who doesn't understand. How is using water destroying it?

No matter how you use it, inside your house or outside your house, the water ends up back in the ocean. Therefore, you think we shouldn't use it.

And I'm the one who doesn't understand?
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well, with such a mature response, what can I say? You got me there. :rolleyes:

What a joke.
Qietzal, You wear hemp underwear oh you you you you you you hippie!!! Seems like if one places multiple you's in, it really has a narrative impact!!!
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
You're the one who doesn't understand. How is using water destroying it?

No matter how you use it, inside your house or outside your house, the water ends up back in the ocean. Therefore, you think we shouldn't use it.

And I'm the one who doesn't understand?
LOL, where did I say I think we shouldn't use water? I use it every day and never made any such statement. You are reading into my comments things that just aren't there. My comment had nothing to do with the subject matter, it had to do with this very fact. After reading this thread it's obvious you read into everyone's comments things they didn't say. You make assertions and call people names if they ask for references. You are half-cocked son! You don't have a clue! My comment had nothing to do with water or dams.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
LOL, where did I say I think we shouldn't use water? I use it every day and never made any such statement. You are reading into my comments things that just aren't there. My comment had nothing to do with the subject matter, it had to do with this very fact. After reading this thread it's obvious you read into everyone's comments things they didn't say. You make assertions and call people names if they ask for references. You are half-cocked son! You don't have a clue! My comment had nothing to do with water or dams.

Your comment had nothing to do with the subject? That's called trolling.

I called people names? You mean tree hugger? Yep, that's pretty bad. You'd better stay off the subways and busses and definately stay off the streets in the big city if you're really that sensitive.

I've read into everyone's comments things they didn't say? But you said I did not understand their arguments so, you were not specific, thus allowing me to make a generalization.

Perhaps you could be more specific so we can debate it. Unless your scared. My bet is you're scared.

How do dams harm the environment?

How is water use equal to wasting it?

How does drip irrigation save water when supposed "excessive" water used for crops just goes back into the river anyway?

Where is all this "saved" water pumped to?
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
you were not specific, thus allowing me to make a generalization.

Perhaps you could be more specific so we can debate it.
How on earth do my non-specific remarks, resulting in you stating "You think we shouldn't use water" make that comment a generalization? You made a very specific remark, not a generalization. My point demonstrated. Half-cocked, fail to think, spew forth words with no merit!
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
You're the one who doesn't understand. How is using water destroying it?

No matter how you use it, inside your house or outside your house, the water ends up back in the ocean. Therefore, you think we shouldn't use it.

And I'm the one who doesn't understand?
You don't have to destroye water to waste and squander it.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
How on earth do my non-specific remarks, resulting in you stating "You think we shouldn't use water" make that comment a generalization? You made a very specific remark, not a generalization. My point demonstrated. Half-cocked, fail to think, spew forth words with no merit!

Second time with no response to the topic, just insults.

Trolling is against forum rules.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
You don't have to destroye water to waste and squander it.
Finally, someone not afraid to discuss the topic.

Okay, so what use is acceptable water use and what use is waste?

How do dams harm the environment?

Why do people think that drip irrigation saves water when all water that is used makes it's way back into the river and oceans anyway?

Why do anti-dam extremists prefer burning oil to produce electricity over clean energy producing dams?
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
Second time with no response to the topic, just insults.

Trolling is against forum rules.
You are the troll...refusing to provide references to your emotional statements!

I did not address the subject matter, I addressed the rules of engagement. This is not trolling. Only a fool would debate someone who spews forth misinformation and takes it as fact without providing references, without establishing the rules of what constitutes an actual debate.

So..if you think I've broken the rules..report me. It will hardly be the first time,..or the last.

You are not worthy of hearing what I have to say regarding water conservation! Until you provide any evidence whatsoever to the contrary..I'll continue to pick apart your pathetic arguments without so much as expressing any opinion on the subject matter.

Who knows, if you actually had a clue, you might find that I agree with some of your opinions. Just happen to thing you don't have a clue about what constitutes a rational mind!
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Finally, someone not afraid to discuss the topic.


How do dams harm the environment?

Why do people think that drip irrigation saves water when all water that is used makes it's way back into the river and oceans anyway?
just a few before I go to bed


First off on my 3% of this planets water is considered fresh drinkable water. Of that there percent 68% is in glaciers.


Water in ground often know as aquifers fill at a certain rate. the available water in a given location will decrease as use raises above the refill amount. Also water can.be contaminated by a variety of human activities .

Dams effect the flow of water, shape of the land and impact on wild life. If a Dam is built in one location, locations below it will receive less water.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
We could build houses on stilts in flood plains but, for a large city that would mean that at times all production would cease. I personally think that homes built in tornado alley should be concrete domes.

There is nothing wrong with building in flood plains if you have the dams and levee's to control flooding. We just need some more dams in the high mountains in California.

This latest problem with the Oroville Dam Spillway is partly because we don't have a series of smaller dams ABOVE the large dams like Oroville. If we did, they could have slowed their releases and given the Oroville Dam time to fix their spillway or, at least, make some temporary repairs to get them through the winter.
I'm NOT disagreeing!!

Just expect flood damage if you do build on the floodplain.

Not sure about building more dams. Much better letting vegetation do its thing and delay run-off
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Everyone lives in some kind of hazard area. It might be flood in some places, fire danger, tornado, winter storm, tsunami, drought, but there is some kind of danger.

Where do you live?

In saddleworth on the edge of the pennines.
My house is at least 100ft above the nearest flood plain, and protected from land slip or flood by an old railway cut ting some 150 yards away. And there are no mine workings nearby, so apart fo the usual Uk weather there is not much to contend with. As we do not have wild fires in this area.
These are all things I checked out before buying the property.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
You are the troll...refusing to provide references to your emotional statements!

I did not address the subject matter, I addressed the rules of engagement. This is not trolling. Only a fool would debate someone who spews forth misinformation and takes it as fact without providing references, without establishing the rules of what constitutes an actual debate.

So..if you think I've broken the rules..report me. It will hardly be the first time,..or the last.

You are not worthy of hearing what I have to say regarding water conservation! Until you provide any evidence whatsoever to the contrary..I'll continue to pick apart your pathetic arguments without so much as expressing any opinion on the subject matter.

Who knows, if you actually had a clue, you might find that I agree with some of your opinions. Just happen to thing you don't have a clue about what constitutes a rational mind!

I'm the troll? But you're in my thread.

You don't like my emotional statements? Oh boo hoo, troll.

Me report you? Naw, that's what ruined RF, people over using the Mod's to fight their battles. I can defend myself against little uneducated trolls.

I am not worth of hearing what you have to say? I'm sure you have to tell yourself that a lot, ten times a day, at least.

You agree with some of my statements? That's the worst thing anyone's ever said to me.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
In saddleworth on the edge of the pennines.
My house is at least 100ft above the nearest flood plain, and protected from land slip or flood by an old railway cut ting some 150 yards away. And there are no mine workings nearby, so apart fo the usual Uk weather there is not much to contend with. As we do not have wild fires in this area.
These are all things I checked out before buying the property.
Killer sheep are the danger up there.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
just a few before I go to bed


First off on my 3% of this planets water is considered fresh drinkable water. Of that there percent 68% is in glaciers.


Water in ground often know as aquifers fill at a certain rate. the available water in a given location will decrease as use raises above the refill amount. Also water can.be contaminated by a variety of human activities .

Dams effect the flow of water, shape of the land and impact on wild life. If a Dam is built in one location, locations below it will receive less water.

Only 3% of the planet's water is fresh? Have you ever been to the Mississippi River? How about the Sacramento and San Joaquin Rivers? They NEVER stop flowing, even in drought years so, that means, communities that depend on them for fresh water have a constant supply of it.

Also, Sacramento has another river called the American River that NEVER stops flowing. It doesn't flow as much as the Sacramento River though. So, Sacramento has TWO rivers that always provide it with fresh water and this winter has been one of the wettest on record and the Sacramento Water managers voted to continue drought water restrictions because they said that people have to get used to using less water.

The dams in California are so full they are releasing water through their spillways. The water behind the Oroville Dam actually overflowed the side dam emergency spillway, yet, Californian's are told they have to not use as much.

The ground reservoirs have been pumped out too much by the California farmers but that is because California won't let them use river water to irrigate their farms. The reason is because the extreme environmentalists have convinced the government that taking water from the rivers reduces the fish populations. Once again, the major rivers in California NEVER stop flowing, even in drought years.

Dams affect water flow, shape of the land, and impact wild life? Yes, dams affect water flow, they reduce the highs and increase the lows.

Dams affect the shape of the land, so, you don't like the way they look, that's it?

Dams affect wild life? They do, they're reservoirs provide a large marine habitat and a source of water for game. Did you think the lake created by a dam was empty of life?

Locations below a dam receive less water? Only in winter, in summer they receive MORE water. That's what dams do, they fill up in winter and release that water in summer, so, the rivers below them have a more regular flow.
 
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