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Errors in Bible translations...
- Thread starter t3gah
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Iris,
You never quote any facts at all supporting your positions. You quote sources that just make assertations but present no proof whatsoever. Could you please start by giving us proof for one of your recurring statements: that 40 persons wrote the Bible. Like I've said before, if you can manage that, you will be world famous.
You never quote any facts at all supporting your positions. You quote sources that just make assertations but present no proof whatsoever. Could you please start by giving us proof for one of your recurring statements: that 40 persons wrote the Bible. Like I've said before, if you can manage that, you will be world famous.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Hmnnn,
any debate about Christian theology or origin of Scripture should include the ability to discuss the fruits of the Spirit. According to Jesus it's how we determine who to listen to. It's not my fault that a poster does not seem to have these "qualifications" as set out by the scriptures.
Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
any debate about Christian theology or origin of Scripture should include the ability to discuss the fruits of the Spirit. According to Jesus it's how we determine who to listen to. It's not my fault that a poster does not seem to have these "qualifications" as set out by the scriptures.
Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Hi Everyone
FIRST, there are 66 inspired books that make up the Bible. Approximately 1/2 of these have been given the name of the scribe God (YHWH) used to write them and many of the remainder internally tell who wrote them thus giving over 40 writers. Some should start using a little common sense.
SECOND, i have already listed the major or principle writers for all of the books of the old testament. Here is the informationfrom the Insights Bible dictionary once more.
Genesis - Moses - 1513 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
Exodus - Moses - 1512 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
Leviticus - Moses - 1512 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
Numbers - Moses - 1473 B.C.E., either written in the Wilderness or Plains of Moab.
Deuteronomy - Moses - 1473 B.C.E., Plains of Moab.
Joshua - Joshua - about 1450 B.C.E., written in Canaan
Judges - Samuel - about 1100 B.C.E., written in Israel
Ruth - Samuel - about 1090 B.C.E., written in Israel
1 Samuel - Samuel; Gad and Nathan - about 1077 B.C.E., written in Israel
2 Samuel -Gad and Nathan - about 1040 B.C.E., written in Israel
1 Kings - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Judah and Egypt.
2 Kings - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Judah and Egypt.
1 Chronicles - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written probably in Jerusalem
2 Chronicles - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written probably in Jerusalem
Ezra - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Nehemiah - Neihemiah - about 443 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Esther - Mordecai - about 474 B.C.E. - written in Shushan, Elam
Job - Moses - about 1473 B.C.E. - written in the wilderness
Psalms - by David and others - about 460 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
Proverbs - by Solomon; Agur; and Lemuel - unknown - written in Jerusalem
Ecclesiastes - Solomon and others - about 1000 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Song of Solomon - Solomon and others - about 1020 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Isaiah - Isaiah - about 732 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Jeremiah - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Lamentations - Jeremiah - about 607 B.C.E. - written near Jerusalem
Ezekiel - Ezekiel - about 561 B.C.E. - written in Babylon
Daniel - Daniel - about 536 B.C.E. - written in Babylon
Hosea - Hosea - after 754 B.C.E. - written in Samaria (District)
Joel - Joel - about 820 B.C.E. - written in Judah
Amos - Amos - about 803 B.C.E. - written in Judah
Obadiah - Obadiah - about 607 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
Jonah - Jonah - about 844 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
Micah - Micah - about 716 B.C.E. - written in Judah
Nahum - Nahum - about 632 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
Habakkuk - Habakkuk - about 628 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
Zephaniah - Zephaniah - about 648 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
Haggai - Haggai - about 520 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
Zechariah - Zechariah - about 518 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
Malachi - Malachi - about 443 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
Now with respect the New Testament the scribes, divinely inspired writers used by God (YHWH) were few in number and all the books of the New Testament were written between approximately 41 A.D. and 98 A.D with the last three being Revelations, 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John, and they were all written by the Apostle John. All of the books of the New Testament were written within the boarders of the Roman Empire. We shall now consider who wrote each book by scribe:
The Apostle Matthew wrote Matthew.
Mark wrote Mark.
The Apostle Luke wrote Luke and Acts.
The Apostle John wrote John, Revelations, 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John.
The Apostle Paul wrote Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Hebrews.
James (the half brother of Jesus (Yeshua)) wrote James.
The Apostle Peter wrote 1 & 2 Peter.
Jude (the half brother of Jesus (Yeshua)) wrote Jude.
THIRD, Some posters post insulting nonsense and untruths such as,
Obviously this poster should start practicing one of these fruits of the spirit, love.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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FIRST, there are 66 inspired books that make up the Bible. Approximately 1/2 of these have been given the name of the scribe God (YHWH) used to write them and many of the remainder internally tell who wrote them thus giving over 40 writers. Some should start using a little common sense.
SECOND, i have already listed the major or principle writers for all of the books of the old testament. Here is the informationfrom the Insights Bible dictionary once more.
Genesis - Moses - 1513 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
Exodus - Moses - 1512 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
Leviticus - Moses - 1512 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
Numbers - Moses - 1473 B.C.E., either written in the Wilderness or Plains of Moab.
Deuteronomy - Moses - 1473 B.C.E., Plains of Moab.
Joshua - Joshua - about 1450 B.C.E., written in Canaan
Judges - Samuel - about 1100 B.C.E., written in Israel
Ruth - Samuel - about 1090 B.C.E., written in Israel
1 Samuel - Samuel; Gad and Nathan - about 1077 B.C.E., written in Israel
2 Samuel -Gad and Nathan - about 1040 B.C.E., written in Israel
1 Kings - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Judah and Egypt.
2 Kings - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Judah and Egypt.
1 Chronicles - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written probably in Jerusalem
2 Chronicles - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written probably in Jerusalem
Ezra - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Nehemiah - Neihemiah - about 443 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Esther - Mordecai - about 474 B.C.E. - written in Shushan, Elam
Job - Moses - about 1473 B.C.E. - written in the wilderness
Psalms - by David and others - about 460 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
Proverbs - by Solomon; Agur; and Lemuel - unknown - written in Jerusalem
Ecclesiastes - Solomon and others - about 1000 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Song of Solomon - Solomon and others - about 1020 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Isaiah - Isaiah - about 732 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Jeremiah - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
Lamentations - Jeremiah - about 607 B.C.E. - written near Jerusalem
Ezekiel - Ezekiel - about 561 B.C.E. - written in Babylon
Daniel - Daniel - about 536 B.C.E. - written in Babylon
Hosea - Hosea - after 754 B.C.E. - written in Samaria (District)
Joel - Joel - about 820 B.C.E. - written in Judah
Amos - Amos - about 803 B.C.E. - written in Judah
Obadiah - Obadiah - about 607 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
Jonah - Jonah - about 844 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
Micah - Micah - about 716 B.C.E. - written in Judah
Nahum - Nahum - about 632 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
Habakkuk - Habakkuk - about 628 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
Zephaniah - Zephaniah - about 648 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
Haggai - Haggai - about 520 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
Zechariah - Zechariah - about 518 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
Malachi - Malachi - about 443 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
Now with respect the New Testament the scribes, divinely inspired writers used by God (YHWH) were few in number and all the books of the New Testament were written between approximately 41 A.D. and 98 A.D with the last three being Revelations, 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John, and they were all written by the Apostle John. All of the books of the New Testament were written within the boarders of the Roman Empire. We shall now consider who wrote each book by scribe:
The Apostle Matthew wrote Matthew.
Mark wrote Mark.
The Apostle Luke wrote Luke and Acts.
The Apostle John wrote John, Revelations, 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John.
The Apostle Paul wrote Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Hebrews.
James (the half brother of Jesus (Yeshua)) wrote James.
The Apostle Peter wrote 1 & 2 Peter.
Jude (the half brother of Jesus (Yeshua)) wrote Jude.
THIRD, Some posters post insulting nonsense and untruths such as,
This is not only an out-right untruth, but a very dumb statement as not everything can be discussed at once, nor can I do research on everything as there is only so much time in the day. I discuss/post on what I believe to be most important at the time.
Obviously this poster should start practicing one of these fruits of the spirit, love.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
T
No*s
Captain Obvious
GWI said:
In that case, there's no substitute for hard work. Go out, get a grammar, spend about half an hour a day, do this for a few years, and then you'll understand a little bit of it. Study a few more years, and you'll find the issue is a bit harder in several places than it seems. Study a few more...and so on.
The other way is to take the scholars' work, and look at how most people tend to treat the grammar. Now, that is easier. However, I've seen scholars treat that as "In the beginning God..." at the beginning of Genesis and "When God began to..." referenced. I've never seen it as "In a beginning." Trust the linguists here. They have decades of study in the matter.
Yes indeed. In fact, you supplied the laundry list in your turgid Discourse on Who and When The Bible Was Written and Who Was Its Author back on 12/27. You failed, at he time, to tell us that you plagiarized the information from "the Insights Bible dictionary", but that's hardly surprising.iris89 said:
You also, if you'll recall, told us that the Exodus occurred between 1500 and 1400 BCE. Do you really mean to imply that Moses was authoring Genesis more than a decade before your earliest date for the Exodus/Conquest?
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
First you tell me that I shouldn't make these types of statements and then you make one yourself? What is this, "Hypocrisy in Action"? I take it that such observations are only valid as long as they aren't about you. This reminds me of the Pharisees of Jesus' time!
The ultimate test for a false prophet or teacher are their fruits. It is not surprising that a false prophet/teacher would take umbrage at someone examining their fruits. Those who are on the side of truth have no such worries.
You have been asked for substantiation by other users for the 40 writers. All you did was to repeat your source and re-post the material. Constantly repeating yourself does not make it true.
No*s
Captain Obvious
iris89 said:
Which one, my saying that I have only seen two basic translations, the statement that learning the language to settle the issue takes years of hard work, or that the linguists who study it and have spent decades researching it know what they're talking about?
If it's that I've seen only two basic translations, then I can't convince you unless you watch a video tape of my whole life. I neither have, nor would I want, such a tape.
If it's that it takes years of hard work to learn the language, then I would think it self-evident. After all, a foriegner may speak his newfound language improperly for years before he gets it right...if he gets it right. Most of biblical linguistic study takes the form of ancient texts, all of which are in languages that aren't spoken anymore, have been artificially recreated, or have changed significantly. I would think that it's pretty self-evident.
Lastly, the linguists have spent decades studying it. Unless we believe they have grounds to believe they are missing the point or aren't honest, then we have grounds to trust them. With the languages, I don't think such a case exists, and that they know more than any of us.
I would have thought all three were self-evident.
There are several ways to interpret Gen. 1:1. There is no definite article preceding the first word, bre****h 'in-beginning', so my view is that "In a beginning" is one of the more accurate versions. It also gives an interesting parallel to the Asian concept of circular time (which also was current in the Ancient Near East), like the Hindu belief that the Universe is periodically re-created.
Hi Everyone
FIRST, I see some still do not recognize that the Bible is God's (YHWH's) guide or standard for mankind. aLL need to go read my articles at:
Civilization and the Bible
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5075
and,
STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5076
SECOND, I see some attacking me without reason just because I am doing a good work as best I can to enable all to gain a better knowledge of the Bible, God's (YHWH's) standard for mankind. No one has the slightest justification for making false accusations against me.
THIRD, It is high time that all should start behaving as true Christians.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
FIRST, I see some still do not recognize that the Bible is God's (YHWH's) guide or standard for mankind. aLL need to go read my articles at:
Civilization and the Bible
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5075
and,
STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5076
SECOND, I see some attacking me without reason just because I am doing a good work as best I can to enable all to gain a better knowledge of the Bible, God's (YHWH's) standard for mankind. No one has the slightest justification for making false accusations against me.
THIRD, It is high time that all should start behaving as true Christians.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
You failed to explain your previous plagiarism. Also, you failed to explain how Moses was authoring Genesis more than a decade before your earliest date for the Exodus/Conquest?