ESP and Higher Consciousness - not Science.

[PolyHedral]

I don't believe that any human has ever attained a higher level of conciousness, because to do so would involve better understanding of the mind than any human currently possesses.

 

[atanu]

I don't believe that any human has ever attained a higher level of conciousness, because to do so would involve better understanding of the mind than any human currently possesses.

This assumes that higher level of consciousness (actually higher is a wrong word) is more complex. With formless clay we can get infinite forms and names.

 

[PolyHedral]

This assumes that higher level of consciousness (actually higher is a wrong word) is more complex. With formless clay we can get infinite forms and names.

Only if the construction involved is infinitely precise, and that clay is infinitely malleable. This isn't true, literally or metaphorically.

 

[atanu]

Only if the construction involved is infinitely precise, and that clay is infinitely malleable. This isn't true, literally or metaphorically.

Fine metaphorically. Even if you can build two or more forms with formless clay, the metaphor will work.

 

[meogi]

How , for instance do you explain phenomena such as ESP and Group Consciousness?

Have such phenomena adequately been shown to exist?

So are you saying that 'magic' is just undiscovered science.

Wouldn't that completely debunk the idea of magic?

Yes.

because I would say that magic is above and beyond physics, the same way that spirituality is.

Why don't you (or anyone) magic some phenomena and I'll physics some phenomena, and lets see who explains it first?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

How , for instance do you explain phenomena such as ESP and Group Consciousness?

Cognitive bias, wishful thinking, misintepretation of mechanism, and ignorance of probability and statistics. I realize that this can be quite complicated for some, so I understand their explanation of "it's magic!"

 

[nnmartin]

People think their dogs are reacting to "ghosts" when they appear to be responding to something they can't see, but they aren't. They're responding to noises you can't hear. Noises which are entirely non-supernatural in origin.

that is not what I'm saying.

The dog gets up to the window 10 to 15 minutes before the car even pulls into the driveway. No way it can 'hear' that.

Quite obviously dogs have psychic powers.

Cognitive bias, wishful thinking, misintepretation of mechanism, and ignorance of probability and statistics. I realize that this can be quite complicated for some, so I understand their explanation of "it's magic!"

sounds like you have a fear of the unknown

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Quite obviously dogs have psychic powers.

Quite obviously ...

 

[painted wolf]

You realize that dogs have amazing sense of hearing right? He can hear your car from at least 400 meters away and has a sense of smell 100 million times greater than yours.

It's not ESP is simply having better mundane senses.

Sadly, some people would rather think this sort of thing is magic than try to figure out how it really works.

wa:do

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You realize that dogs have amazing sense of hearing right? He can hear your car from at least 400 meters away and has a sense of smell 100 million times greater than yours.

It's not ESP is simply having better mundane senses.

Sadly, some people would rather think this sort of thing is magic than try to figure out how it really works.

wa:do

They also have a great sense of smell! :yes:

 

[nnmartin]

You realize that dogs have amazing sense of hearing right? He can hear your car from at least 400 meters away and has a sense of smell 100 million times greater than yours.

It's not ESP is simply having better mundane senses.

15 minutes before I arrive the car is much further away than this - several kilometres away! Also , no way the dog can smell the car - it's in traffic with thousands of others.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

15 minutes before I arrive the car is much further away than this - several kilometres away! Also , no way the dog can smell the car - it's in traffic with thousands of others.

That must be some smell!

 

[painted wolf]

A bear has a good sense of smell (not as good as a dog though) and a bear can find a chicken wing hidden a 18 miles away.

HowStuffWorks Videos "A Dog's Life: Dog's Sense of Smell"

You and your car a few miles away is nothing.

wa:do

 

[atanu]

But what it still points out is that the senses need not be what humans from their perspectives limit them to.

 

[nnmartin]

I'd go so far as to say there is a group consciousness amongst animals like dogs, especially in a pack in the wild - they probably also have their own concept of God , some kind of Eternal Dog in the forest.

 

[atanu]

Nmmartin

Why speculate at all?

 

[nnmartin]

good point, just trying to find out more about the meaning of life I guess....

 

[meogi]

15 minutes before I arrive the car is much further away than this - several kilometres away! Also , no way the dog can smell the car - it's in traffic with thousands of others.

Since you obviously have multiple videos of this, please, share.

I'd go so far as to say there is a group consciousness amongst animals like dogs, especially in a pack in the wild - they probably also have their own concept of God , some kind of Eternal Dog in the forest.

And what makes you think your opinion is a valid explanation, for something you can't know?

Right, wishful thinking.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

sounds like you have a fear of the unknown

One more thing you're wrong about. Just add it to the list.

 

[nnmartin]

And what makes you think your opinion is a valid explanation, for something you can't know?

Right, wishful thinking.

It is called having the Gift of Knowledge.