Eucharist

[Unveiled Artist]

Actually they do,

Transubstantiation (Latin: transsubstantiatio; Greek: μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, "the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. [...] The Roman Catholic Church teaches that in the Eucharistic offering bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ.

At least when I took communion, I took consecrated wine not blood.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What 'accidents'?

It's the presence that's christ not the accidents. Unfortunately, it's mixed together where one sees the accidents: bread and wine but catholics see the substance: christ.

The thing is, that's fine until cannibalism is thrown in. That throws me off guard.

When I studied it after asking the priest before confirmed, that was my take away: consecrated bread and wine. When jesus was around the table (and in the OT) they always had actual food. The bread and wine are the sacrifice and resurrection of christ through his blood and body. Not the alcohol and yeast.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No one thinks that. The symbolism, though, I find disturbing. Especially considering historical blood libel context.
Edit: Okay, I've never thought that, but apparently Catholics do think this, beyond symbolism. Still disturbing.

I honestly don't see it as symbolism. I just find it grossly misunderstood and/or the language use doesn't reflect the nature of communion. The Roman Church has been trying to figure out the nature of the Eucharist for years. Some other Catholic Churches leave it alone as a mystery.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Read Matthew 26 and draw you own conclusions.

I've read the bible. My conclusions are different than protestants. I use different language than catholics. That doesn't mean I can't learn from others besides Paul and John.

 

[Rival]

At least when I took communion, I took consecrated wine not blood.

Yes, nobody is teaching is becomes literal body and blood (anyone can see it does not), even though it is. I know that makes no sense. It's not understood and is considered a mystery. So while it outwardly remains bread and wine, it becomes the body and the blood through transubstantiation.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, nobody is teaching is becomes literal body and blood (anyone can see it does not), even though it is. I know that makes no sense. It's not understood and is considered a mystery. So while it outwardly remains bread and wine, it becomes the body and the blood through transubstantiation.

Why would people call it cannibalism when it "literally" is not?

 

[Rival]

Why would people call it cannibalism when it "literally" is not?

Because the whole idea of it is, at least to myself and my Jewish brethren, so obnoxious and so un-Jewish that it may as well be literal cannibalism. The fundamental idea behind it is disturbing.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I've read the bible. My conclusions are different than protestants. I use different language than catholics. That doesn't mean I can't learn from others besides Paul and John.

What are you hoping to learn by creating this thread then? Whether or not Catholics (or non-Catholics) think they’re cannibals when they take communion?

 

[Cooky]

What are you hoping to learn by creating this thread then? Whether or not Catholics (or non-Catholics) think they’re cannibals when they take communion?

The intent is made obvious in the OP. Did you even read it?

 

[SalixIncendium]

The intent is made obvious in the OP. Did you even read it?

Of course I did.

If the intent was obvious, I wouldn’t have asked the question.

I don’t do assumptions.

 

[agorman]

I believe we humans are all a mixture of alien and ape. The ape is the problem. So the mass purifies your DNA, so you become the divine being (alien) that you originally were. After that, the next stage is losing your body altogether. You achieve a level of enlightenment where your "body" is just a projection of your true self. Of course that takes many years; maybe a lifetime.

By drinking the blood and flesh of a god, you slowly become a brother of that god and finally, a god yourself.

So the mass is for apotheosis. Followers of Mithra did it too. But I guess no priest will tell you that.

 

[Terry Sampson]

Ahem, ... allow me to muck up the waters a bit with my 2 pennies' worth ...
I started out in early childhood as a Southern Baptist, tripped through the Nazarenes,Pentecostal Holiness, and Assembly of God, making it into the Lutherans at the age of 10. Much later, I converted (to Catholicism).

The doctrine a community holds governs practices: i.e. appropriate elements used, e.g. broken saltine crackers and grape juice, leavened bread and grape juice or wine, unleavened bread and wine, ... some use red only, others use wine period, red or white. Additional practices: closed communion or open communion; and what can be done with post-blessing elements.

Yes, nobody is teaching is becomes literal body and blood

The hell they ain't. There's a reason Catholics genuflect when approaching the altar and the priest drinks the remaining contents of the chalice/cup, and sweeps the crumbs into a special plate.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What are you hoping to learn by creating this thread then? Whether or not Catholics (or non-Catholics) think they’re cannibals when they take communion?

Do catholics and non-catholics actually believe that the Eucharist is christ's actual blood and body?

How you're asking me is more sarcastic rather than inquisitive. I learn a lot but we don't always have to put whys to every question we ask.

 

[Rival]

Ahem, ... allow me to muck up the waters a bit with my 2 pennies' worth ...
I started out in early childhood as a Southern Baptist, tripped through the Nazarenes,Pentecostal Holiness, and Assembly of God, making it into the Lutherans at the age of 10. Much later, I converted (to Catholicism).

The doctrine a community holds governs practices: i.e. appropriate elements used, e.g. broken saltine crackers and grape juice, leavened bread and grape juice or wine, unleavened bread and wine, ... some use red only, others use wine period, red or white. Additional practices: closed communion or open communion; and what can be done with post-blessing elements.

The hell they ain't. There's a reason Catholics genuflect when approaching the alter and the priest drinks the remaining contents of the chalice/cup, and sweeps the crumbs into a special plate.

I mean literal. As in, when you drink it, it becomes blood in your mouth. It doesn't. It tastes like wine and is still wine. If you died after ingesting it and a post mortem were done, there'd be wine in your stomach.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe we humans are all a mixture of alien and ape. The ape is the problem. So the mass purifies your DNA, so you become the divine being (alien) that you originally were. After that, the next stage is losing your body altogether. You achieve a level of enlightenment where your "body" is just a projection of your true self. Of course that takes many years; maybe a lifetime.

By drinking the blood and flesh of a god, you slowly become a brother of that god and finally, a god yourself.

So the mass is for apotheosis. Followers of Mithra did it too. But I guess no priest will tell you that.

That's a weird take away.

 

[Terry Sampson]

I mean literal. As in, when you drink it, it becomes blood in your mouth. It doesn't. It tastes like wine and is still wine. If you died after ingesting it and a post mortem were done, there'd be wine in your stomach.

Ahh, .. you mean literal literal. I thought you meant just literal.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Do catholics and non-catholics actually believe that the Eucharist is christ's actual blood and body?

How you're asking me is more sarcastic rather than inquisitive. I learn a lot but we don't always have to put whys to every question we ask.

There was no sarcasm in my question.

Not sure if you’re speaking for you and a mouse in your pocket, but I always want to know why with each question I ask.

 

[Rival]

Ahh, .. you mean literal literal. I thought you meant just literal.

That's what literal means

 

[Cooky]

By drinking the blood and flesh of a god, you slowly become a brother of that god and finally, a god yourself.

Yes, I believe this is most likely true, although the Catholic Church does not officially claim to know why Jesus asked us to do this... We literally can't say for sure - for sure.

...But your point about becoming God is spot on with orthodox Catholic Mysticism.

 

[Terry Sampson]

That's what literal means

No, ... literal means literal. Literal literal means unbelievable literal.