Europe aids an ocean of refugees, where's Islam's charity?

[Quagmire]

That was an inaccurate inference on your part,

Then maybe you should have clarified instead of trying to change the subject.

And btw: what point were you trying to make with those examples?

but let's assume it was my bad. Working from memory, I believe I listed those "as a start". There are many more examples if you need to see them.

Examples of what and to what purpose?

You found one counter example - to a claim I never made. Your response was a strawman.

Then you should have pointed that out instead of trying to change the subject.

Again, based on an earlier, inaccurate, inference on your part. (BTW, It's always fair to ask for clarification.) Also, at some point when do we reach the point of granting common knowledge? Is there ANY uncertainty in your mind that the three countries I listed (two with clues in their names), have governments that are heavily influenced by Sharia?

Nope, never said there was.

Wow! You asked me if I thought every Muslim was in favor of Sharia... Really?

Yes, because for all intents and purposes that seemed to be your position.

In several post prior to the one I responded to you were talking about Islam as if it were some sort of monolithic entity with a single and uniform stance on all things.

Would you buy a car if only 1 in 3 crashed?

Would you lock up three people if one of them were guilty of a crime?

Do you seriously think that for my argument to stand, I need 100% of Muslims?

I thought that the idea that 100% of the Musilims in the world were extremists (or close enough) or sympathetic to extremists actually was your argument.

Presumably you don't think I need 100%. On the other hand, I'm inferring that you think 30% is insufficient.

Insufficient for what exactly?

So can you tell me what the tipping point is, and how you arrived at that number?

The tipping point for what exactly?

Quagmire, it strikes me that you put forth a series of fallacies and then were upset that I didn't take the bait and respond to them?

LOL! That had to be intentional irony on your part because things like that don't happen on accident.

In what way was your question (about whether some were living under duress), not a distraction from the main point?

The point was, "How many Muslims should we assume to be in favor of Sharia law".

You were pointing out that about a third of the Muslims in the world were living in countries under the influence of sharia law

My question (the one you cited above) was meant to point out that it was unreasonable to assume that just because someone is living under certain conditions it would automatically follow that they were in favor of those conditions.

Although, I'm pretty sure you got that or you wouldn't have tried to change the subject again.

I can only guess whether you ignored something by a lack of response - my bad. You did not respond to the series of bar charts nor did you respond to the world map. Both of which qualify as data AND good evidence.

Good evidence for what exactly?

You claim that I misinterpreted your original point. OK, how about just coming right out and saying what your point is?

 

[icehorse]

Quagmire,

Wow, we are so far from communicating on so many points here! I'm going to proceed on the assumption that you're interested in an actual debate, if you're just baiting me, then you earn some sort of weird point (I guess).

I have to say that it seems you've frequently read more into my posts than I intended. I'm not at all convinced that that's all on me, others in this thread don't seem to be having the same problem. Anyway let me try to recap and answer some of your questions:

I started the OP with a very broad claim.
I quickly (but informally), amended the claim to be directed at OPEC nations
I formally amended the claim in #42

Around #27 Iti oj attempted to separate Islam from politics. I believe this post started a major line of debate.

point 1 - So my first main point is that you cannot logically separate Islam from politics. It is a mistake to think of Islam as "just another religion". That sells Islam short. Islam purports to be a totalitarian solution. If you want to claim that Islam is just a religion you have both the scripture and 1400 years of evidence to fight against.

point 2 - The second point to clarify, is that I am absolutely NOT lumping all Muslims together. In this thread alone I specifically applauded Jordan and the Kurds. And my applauds don't stop there.

point 3 - Many Muslim majority countries are heavily influenced by Sharia. I named three, then I provided a link to a world map which details the degree of influence Sharia has from country to country. (It really struck me that your example of N Korea was an intentional red herring, no? Did you really think I was limiting my argument to names of countries?)

point 4 - When you asked how many Muslims would choose differently if they could, I wonder if you can see the irony in your question? I did, and I responded to the irony.

(Specifically, you seem to be taking issue with the ideas that Islam is more than a religion and that Sharia plays a strong role in the world. Then you ask (and I have to assume with some irony), whether we should consider that Muslims might choose differently if they could.)

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hey guys, I found this on my FB:
http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/805236

It says that KSA hosted ~2.5 million Syrian refugees since the crisis started.

Dunno the truth behind it, but the media is the media after all.

 

[Jumi]

That's good. Because they know the language and have similar culture they "become local" fast. Here we have a problem with one of the hardest languages in the world, high unemployment..

 

[Flankerl]

Ah yeah the 2.5 million number Saudi Arabia came up with this month.

Not that anyone can confirm these numbers.

 

[MARCELLO]

Ah yeah the 2.5 million number Saudi Arabia came up with this month.

Not that anyone can confirm these numbers.

That must be Turkey not Saudi Arabia. Within these calculations half of Syria must have gone away.