EVE! Legendary heroine of Humanity!

[Brian2]

Stop making stuff up. Read what the text says.

That is part of what being a judge was all about, protecting parts of Israel from military aggressors.

Why else would God set it up and knock it down? God sends the famine, God gives [his] reasons, David acts accordingly, seven humans are impaled, God is satisfied and lifts the famine.

God left it to David to decide what to do and he decided to satisfy the Gibeonites with their request. The issue was then dealt with in the eyes of the Gibeonites and God also stopped the famine.

Not that God. This is the God of the Bronze Age, not of the 21st century CE. [He] approves of slavery, invasive war, massacres of populations, human sacrifices and more ─ just as the Tanakh says. The NT is all about glorifying human sacrifice, though I have no idea what it's said to have achieved that could not have been done better by other means.

The God of the OT was as much for forgiveness as the God of the NT.
That is different to the justice system and how that would operate and how the country was going to be protected and God giving Canaan to the Hebrews because He was judging the Canaanites and how the economy would be set up and run, even using slaves (better than pow camps no doubt).
Sometimes justice required spilling blood, but this was not human sacrifice.
The New Testament praises God and Jesus for Jesus death which shows God's love for us. Death is the result of sin and death is required to satisfy justice. Nobody could die to satisfy that justice because we all sin and if we offered ourselves our death would just be justice for our sins.
The death of innocent children was not acceptable to God either.
It's true that you have no idea what it's said to have achieved that could not have been done better by other means. You don't seem to want to even consider what I said about that. All you do is repeat that you are ignorant about it and I guess your ignorance is proof that another method would have been OK and would have covered all bases that had to be covered.
What method would you suggest?

 

[Brian2]

I see no evidence that the Jews didn't trust their God.

I see the Jews rejecting trust in the Messiah God sent them and sticking to the Law as a means for righteousness instead of faith, which includes trust.

To die for what, exactly? The NT makes it plain that Jesus' mission was to die ─ that is, it was a suicide mission. I don't know about you but I find that morally absurd.

I think we have sort of covered some reasons for Jesus death.
The death of Jesus was a suicide mission in the war that we are part of. It was to win the decisive battle that would end with the serpent's head being crushed. The battle was won but the serpent is angry and is trying to destroy as much as he can before the end of the war.

No, that's too much after the event. Jesus' mission to the Jews, if that's what it was, was a total failure. Christianity's success is overwhelmingly among the pagans, very little among the Jews. Jesus was never the savior of the Jews ─ he was the direct cause of two millennia of antisemitism. To say the God of the Jews did that is farcical.

The first Christians were Jews and the rejection of the Messiah by the Jews is foretold in the Tanakh. (Ps 89) That rejection did not stand in the way of the Messiah being went to the Gentiles to be their light and salvation. (Isa 49:6) It is as the scriptures say, the Jewish heart had grown calloused and they cannot hear or see well. (Matt 13:15, Acts 28:7, Isa 6:10, Psalm 119:70 etc) They rejected and killed their Messiah and the prophet God sent them. Maybe they have been cut off from God's people now (Deut 18:15). They have certainly been rejected from Israel by God for about 2000 years. It is a good thing that God is faithful and remembers His promises to Abraham and David etc and that God will again reach out to the Jews and the Messiah is going to come again to finish His Messianic work.

That was, as I said, pagan society that changed. What emerged was and is a version of Graeco-Roman culture, not Jewish culture.

I'm not really talking about the culture. I'm talking about the changes made to the lives of people and to their attitude to others, including their neighbour.

You apparently know no history. Christianity fought Judaism, paganism, the native religions of the Semitic, Celtic, Germanic, Slavic and other peoples; they fought each other ─ the Thirty Years War is one of the vilest, most barbaric on record. They imposed Christianity by force through Africa, the Americas and Asia in the colonial eras of Portugal, Spain, Britain, and France. They, like the Muslims, imposed their religion on the slaves they dealt with in the African slave trade. Christianity isn't a world religion because it's right. It's a world religion because it was the religion of the conquerors.

Christianity had spread before it's political rise to power and would have continued that way. That the serpent made his way into the Church and turned it in part into a political power than copied the ways of the world is something to be regretted. God has ways to renew His Church however.

If God's love is evident in those histories, it must be in footnotes, because it's only in the main text as an administrative convenience.

The church is more than the hierarchy and the actions of the Church is more than some of the hate policies from them. There are many stories of love and in opposition to the Church hierarchy.
It is unfortunate that people tend to judge Jesus by the actions of some Christians. It is understandable but not reasonable imo.

 

[Brian2]

Then why does Genesis record such long lifespans for those generations immediately following A&E? (Longevity gradually tapered off.)

Because, they were closer to Adam and Eve genetically.

That is why Jesus is called “the last Adam”: Jesus’ perfect life ideally matched Adam’s.

At Revelation 21:3-4, where it says the “tent of God is with mankind”... when it states “death will be no more”, what does that mean?
The ability to live forever, for mankind!

Yes probably A@E were better physically than us and than Jesus. I was thinking that Jesus is the only morally perfect human to have lived.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Then why does Genesis record such long lifespans for those generations immediately following A&E? (Longevity gradually tapered off.)

Because, they were closer to Adam and Eve genetically.

That is why Jesus is called “the last Adam”: Jesus’ perfect life ideally matched Adam’s.

At Revelation 21:3-4, where it says the “tent of God is with mankind”... when it states “death will be no more”, what does that mean?
The ability to live forever, for mankind!

The answer is because of the revelations dispensed by the Son of GOD, Adam that were in the earth. And the people could see it was true looking at his body that was not born of a woman, but coupled by the Most Holy Hands of GOD, that had noticeable differences; just how the people said that Jesus His Pre-Eminence has a mystery Divine Nature.

Death will be no more, is pointing to the time that this earth is transfigured into a celestial planet, and the people in that planet have their celestial immortal bodies. But for some, the remnant, they will put on that transfigured body in life without dying at all. This isnt a rapture like the church has believed, this is a people that endured to the end, eating the Word of GOD which immortalised their body in life.

And therein is the answer as to why they lived hundreds and hundreds of years, and why Enoch, who was trained personally by Father Adam, transfigured in life without dying at all.

 

[Brian2]

The Scholars, scribes, doctorate level holders, the wise in this world are not Prophets, I want this to be clear! They don't hear from GOD directly. Jesus His Pre-Eminence said: My Words are Spirit and are life: Which simply means, HIS Word is Spiritual and Life Giving. The Scholars do not know the Mind of GOD; they literalised HIS Word and gave the Word a beating, and lashings, and left it in a dead state. That dead state simply means: As it is written the words cannot give anyone life. Life, is not breathing in oxygen and exhaling Carbon Dioxide, or have a limited life span that leads to death; life is life without dying at all. The real "life" is defined in the kind of life that renews not expires; the kind of life that cannot lead to death. If t leads to death; its not life, its slowly dying. So The Word of GOD was left in a dead state by these scholars, and the people that put the bible together. They were not led by GOD at all; nor do they have the ability to hear from GOD as Prophets do. What they delved into, is a don't do.

Throwing light means bringing out the hidden manna in the words that were written, in the correct mindset, to reveal what was sealed in the writings of the ones GOD sent. Its not changing the meaning of the words, its seeing the words as they were meant to be seen; which you must have the correct mindset first to bring them out. And that has been the whole issue with the church; led by false prophets for 2000+ years who were not called or sent to preach, who dived into things they were not supposed to - this is where the falling away happened.

It is the tree of procreation; because it gave them the kind of body needed to procreate.

I think the scholars have done a good job with eliminating errors that have crept in over the years. That was their task and they did it. They were not called to be prophets. We are all given different gifts and the church as a whole is to be prophetic in the world. Some have the gift of prophecy but the spreading of the word of God is prophetic. (and of course it is good to have a more accurate word of God to spread).
I think you might be reading into the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, more than is there.

 

[Yahcubs777]

I think the scholars have done a good job with eliminating errors that have crept in over the years. That was their task and they did it. They were not called to be prophets. We are all given different gifts and the church as a whole is to be prophetic in the world. Some have the gift of prophecy but the spreading of the word of God is prophetic. (and of course it is good to have a more accurate word of God to spread).
I think you might be reading into the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, more than is there.

No To be a Prophet is not a gift; its not a talent, its an innate ability hear from GOD directly in their Spirit Being inaudibly, by the laws of the spirit, which a Prophet is born with. It is also the ability to accurately decipher the Word of GOD in HIS height of communication and frequency. No one who has not that ability should be sorting out documents and claiming this are spiritually inspired, these are not. They have done what they did because they are not friends of Mankind, and they will have their reward.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

In truth the key to liberty was made in the 1950s with the contraceptive pill, giving women easy and effective control of their own fertility for the first time. It's hard to understate the magnitude of the changes this made possible, even if the fight for genuine equality is still not won.

To be fair, herbal and magic birth control have been around for a while.

 

[blü 2]

To be fair, herbal and magic birth control have been around for a while.

Yes, Onan is on the record, and who knows how far back folk-medicine/magic goes?

And there have always been revolutionary women in this cause. The Women's Movements in the US and England had activists from the mid 19th century on, and ultimately political successes.

But the pill was the biggie, the game-changer in the lives of all Western women. When we get Eve's due status recognized, the canonization of Sanger and Pincus will follow.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The fruit didn't work.

Yeah that’s the ironic thing. The first thing that they do is treat nudity like a sin but no one ever said it was. The fruit apparently makes you pull sins out of your behind, which is why child rape is okay but eating lobster isn’t.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

To sin, he'd have to have had prior knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil ─ but that had explicitly been denied to him (and Eve, of course).

Eve isn’t even told the rule. She is created AFTER.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Man is fallen because Adam and Eve were the first to sin and not trust God

God could earn trust better if He would’ve been honest about the facts.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

God did not have to plant that tree in the Garden. If He was terrified He would not have planted it.

The story is just a trope. Hercules and Sun Wukong are also famous for stealing magic fruit. It’s about the gods not wanting to share the power they get from magic fruit.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Sin is not doing the will of God

So if God tells me to kill someone and I refuse because it’s evil, I am still sinning?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If there really is a tree called that, then that is calling this passage a lie. Because it would mean that an evil tree can bring forth good fruit, and a good tree can bring forth evil fruit.

Is Jesus aware of grafting? You can have an apple tree that makes oranges too if you want.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

An omnipotent God does not need to worry about His power.

Gods weren’t at that time. The silliness comes much later. Ancient gods were limited and could only sustain immortality with magic fruit or something.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Is Jesus aware of grafting? You can have an apple tree that makes oranges too if you want.

Its pointing to the seed that produced the tree, and three that was produced produces the fruits that were programmed in the seed. Everything about the tree is programmed in the seed.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

But a good tree can make bad fruit.

 

[Yahcubs777]

But a good tree can make bad fruit.

Bad fruit as in not good to eat, is not an evil fruit. The parable states, Evil fruit.

 

[Yahcubs777]

So if God tells me to kill someone and I refuse because it’s evil, I am still sinning?

GOD does not tell anyone to kill. That was the misunderstandings of GOD's sent ones that could not get to HIS height of Communication and frequency, so their interpretations were imperfect...

 

[Yahcubs777]

The story is just a trope. Hercules and Sun Wukong are also famous for stealing magic fruit. It’s about the gods not wanting to share the power they get from magic fruit.

The fruit in question is not magic, neither is it a tree that was ever in the earth; it is a celestial tree that was in the Garden of Eden, which is a heavens world not the earth.