Every Word, Every Letter in the Quran is up for Criticism

[K.Venugopal]

Actually , there is no dilemma , although you insist to create one out of nothing...Allah (SWA) is eternally living and he created the life that ought to be created..the one with a begining and end..our lives...is that too hard to understand ?....For what purpose he created it ?...To test us
i am sorry to say that , but the question :did allah create himself ?..is just nonsense and a meaningless question...Allah is the eternal uncaused cause of Everything....And thus , he did actually create everything.....
And also i never understood or digested the oness of existence dogma...The universe =God ....and god =the universe......what benefit i get from that ?...i only added a new name to the universe which is "God " without adding any real meaning or knowledge to my mind...

Allah did not create everything because everything today would include, say, automobiles and computer. Everything would at best be the consequence of Allah creating something. Or He would have created a couple of basic things which compounded to create all the variety that exists today. Everything that we know dies (or changes forms) after a period of time. So the question is, what is it that changes forms interminably? That which is common to humans, birds, animals, fish etc. and Allah, nay all existence, is life. Since everyone is agreed that Allah does not die, that which changes forms in creation could only be life and Allah is eternal life. Allah, of course, could not have created life, the eternal phenomenon. That would have been tantamount to Allah creating Allah. Therefore existence is nothing other than Allah (life) taking on various forms.

Life is in essence is an undifferentiated phenomenon. Life took on different forms in a divine game of hide-and-seek. What we see as lifeless, say a stone, too not only contains life, but is conscious as all life is.

Is, say, an automobile a case of life taking on a certain form? An automobile or anything 'created' by man is but an assemblage of compounds and compounds are assemblage of the original 'creation' of elements. Which elements can only be the differentiated forms of life.

Thus, however we look at it, life is the key to the riddle of existence.



Incidentally, why would an all-knowing Allah want to test us? Doesn't He already know what we are? The question of testing does not arise at all. Allah the One took to many forms to celebrate His oneness in many. The aim of man is to discover his oneness among the many - his oneness with existence - to discover that he is Allah. Many men have discovered this and have proclaimed "Ana al Haq". We are not slaves of divinity, except in our ignorance, but are divine ourselves.

 

[adelpit346]

that is only a theory
all muslums operate on a theory
all men callings themselves christian operate on a theory
so too evolution is theory
theory means opinion
it is vainfull to offer a theory to any man
rather you should offer a fact
can you offer a single fact
you can not
for any man to call himself a muslum and then bomb any building in new york city is to prove he is the world's greatest fool
for by perfect example a man saying he is muslum should be more than able to offer a single acceptable reason for all other men to desire to become a muslum for such is the power of a muslum god
or the is not an acceptable muslum
the same applies to the christian god
which by the way is not the same god
as the muslum or the jewish god
there different gods
personally i imagine there is a single god
by the process of elimation i imagine the actually god is the one that demands the most from a man
that would be the christian god for he says provided you have belief in your consious mind then anything you desire he will go and do for you
ergo for you do not see any man that says he is christian doing an miracles then either they are all liars or god does not exist
i imagine they are all liars
for were i already a christian then the first thing i would ask for is eternal life and happiness for those that were behind the world trade center bombing that are still alive and for him to raise from the dead those insane men calling themselves muslum that were in the planes and give them the same
so them you had better desire i become christian for what i desire by my heart for you is far far greater than you by your conscious mind have the ability to desire for me:')
iamnothing0

 

[K.Venugopal]

I offer you a fact - the fact that you are alive. How long will you, or I, be alive? But who are you? Or who am I? Surely I am not the one you see with limbs standing in front of you, for even if my limbs were lost, I would remain the one who said "I". If my whole body were to go, you would not see me. You might assume I am missing or dead. But if you see my lifeless body, surely you would be certain I am dead. That is, I am not in the body. Where have I gone? Where has my life gone? Can you say my life died? If you can't say my life died, how can you say I died? My life has only left my body, perchance to adorn a new body.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Assalamualaikum.

Wa aleikum assalam,

But every letter in the Quran starting from the B of Bismillah to the S of Naas, EVERY LETTER is the word of God. And, therefore, for any non-believer, every single word is up for criticism.

Actually I think you are doing a mistake here.
Your first sentence is the claim and since you claim it you must provide evidence and not ask others to verify your initial claim.

 

[Mentallooser]

as a former irish catholic, agnostic, and more or less full blown atheist I have a problem with discussions like these. The problem lies with grasping concepts and what you find most believable and logical. Since beliefs can't be 100% defined as logical then convincing someone who says "God is beyond comprehension" that all life is in fact 1 and can only be possible if God is the essence of life itself, and thus we are all God is next to impossible. As a muslim i see God as beyond anything humanly comprehensible, HOWEVER discussions or "debates" such as these can only go in circles

 

[Bowman]

But every letter in the Quran starting from the B of Bismillah to the S of Naas, EVERY LETTER is the word of God. And, therefore, for any non-believer, every single word is up for criticism. Because if the Quran is the Word of God and if it is protected in its exact revealed form and if God has said that the Quran is the last revealed scripture of God then it must withstand and counter and successfully counter all and any criticism waged at it. But not only that.

Where does the Koran ever make these claims?

Or...do these claims emanate only from the man made islam?