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Everybody wants to go to heaven. But nobody wants to go now.

Faybull

Well-Known Member
Not only that, the verse concerning Pentecost, does it mention "sealing" at all? This is in Acts, right?
I am looking at the event in Acts and it doesn't seem to be referencing anything significant supporting the relationship to the 144000 that are sealed in Revelation.
 

Faybull

Well-Known Member
I am looking at the event in Acts and it doesn't seem to be referencing anything significant supporting the relationship to the 144000 that are sealed in Revelation.
Not only that but if the "sealing" is an event set in time forward, it only hurts the argument that Pentecost was the beginning of the "sealing"...no?
 
Not only that but if the "sealing" is an event set in time forward, it only hurts the argument that Pentecost was the beginning of the "sealing"...no?

There is a part that I left out in an earlier comment.I sometimes confuse myself.Lol..
Jesus established the new covenant at the last supper,then he gave his life as the ransom.The faithful ones of Jesus did not receive the blessing of the holy spirit until the Pentecost of 33C.E.
Not all are sealed.This was the beginning of it.They are still not all sealed.
 

Faybull

Well-Known Member
There is a part that I left out in an earlier comment.I sometimes confuse myself.Lol..
Jesus established the new covenant at the last supper,then he gave his life as the ransom.The faithful ones of Jesus did not receive the blessing of the holy spirit until the Pentecost of 33C.E.
Not all are sealed.This was the beginning of it.They are still not all sealed.

So the "blessing of the Holy Spirit", or Spirit of Holiness, is the seal?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
absolute crap !
Does anyone know why ?
What was the ABSOLUTE PURPOSE ?
I said....pure crap !
~
'mud
 

chinu

chinu
Everybody wants to go to heaven. But nobody wants to go now.
Everybody want to go heaven, but only after death. And that just because they don't find any other better option than haven to choose in afterlife. (Or, perhaps, very well they know that the opposite to heaven is hell). Otherwise nobody want to go now.. because they have attachments with this world. They have incomplete desires to get fulfilled in this world. Everybody thinks that this world is our real-home for ever.

Once a pig was invited by one king in his Garden,
Asked the pig to that king; Do you have plenty of dirt to eat and enjoy for me in your garden ? hah!
Similarly, once a man was invited by God in heaven,
Asked man to God; Do you have plenty of Dirt / (Delicious Food, Sex, Hotels etc.) to enjoy for me in your heaven ?

Like, that pig who is always happy in his dirty-world and never tried to know what place is garden. Similarly, we never tried to know what place is heaven, or what kind of joy is in heaven. We just compared our dirty-joyous-things of this dirty-world with heavenly-joy and never tried to know what kind of joy flows in heaven.

One cannot get the real-importance of heaven until one is familiar with the real joy of heaven.
:)
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I think the sentiment is that no one, even those of great faiths, knows what it [heaven] entails. Also, they may not want to be separated from their families.
And I agree that some of them just don't have a lot of faith.
 

Awoon1

Member
Heaven is not the message of Jesus. The Kingdom of God on Earth is.

But fantasy escapism is more titillating to the western religious minds of men and women.
 

chinu

chinu
Heaven is not the message of Jesus. The Kingdom of God on Earth is.
So, just sit and wait for it to happen until your last moment on this earth. But, anything such has never happened in the past (Including the time-period of Jesus), neither it is, nor it can ever happen in the future, Imo.

If, "Kingdom of God on Earth" would be the message of Jesus, than he would have never left us on this earth and walked away to heaven, alone.
 

Awoon1

Member
Yep just read the Lord's prayer and you'll learn how to get to heaven. Or how to live with kingdom of God on Earthy.
 
Heaven is not for everyone.Only those chosen to reign with Jesus Christ.Earth is for those others who follow God's commands.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
I would honestly expect people who believe they are going to heavens to look forward to their deaths. Not necessarily to speed up the process or to commit suicide ( edit: as I have said, I can already imagine possible explanations as to why someone wouldn't want to do that sort of thing ). But rather to wait for it like children wait for their gifts on the christmas eve.

We are waiting for it. Unlike children waiting a few hours for their xmas gifts, we are rational adults waiting for our years to end.

Heaven to me, is something to look forward to after my Earthly life is over. I don't have to rush it, because I will get there eventually.
 
We are waiting for it. Unlike children waiting a few hours for their xmas gifts, we are rational adults waiting for our years to end.

Heaven to me, is something to look forward to after my Earthly life is over. I don't have to rush it, because I will get there eventually.

But the holy scriptures makes it clear that heaven is not for all.Earth is the place where God's people will reside forever in paradise.

Isaiah 45:18 For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
But the holy scriptures makes it clear that heaven is not for all.Earth is the place where God's people will reside forever in paradise.

Isaiah 45:18 For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other.

Putting aside your mistake about what "it" is referring to in this verse, where do you think that this verse mentions that Heaven is not for all? Or that a person will reside on Earth eternally?
 
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