Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

[AmbiguousGuy]

Okay, you have a subconscious belief.

So we're all subconsciously religious?

That's freaky, man.

 

[Draka]

Hey yaddoe, is this definition from Merriam-Webster wrong? And who are you to say it isn't right?

Definition of RELIGIOUS

1
: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>

 

[no-body]

You could say everyone is spiritual, to a point. It is built into the human condition even when we know it is irrational. But to say everyone is religious takes a lot of twisting.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Why do you feel it is necessary that everyone believe in some'thing?

Why is it not enough that we have observations and intuitions and preferences
and experiences and hunches and opinions and desires and likes and dislikes........

It doesn't matter if or why I feel it is necessary.
It is what it is. Why is it necessary that 1+1=2.
It just is.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I like your attitude....may I share it?

Careful. If you share his attitude, you guys will become a religious community.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I would think that a system of beliefs would be a compilation of many beliefs, although I'm sure if I were to look at it some more I could find more than one belief.

a belief in the danger of fire would mean
first a belief that fire exists.
second a belief that pain exists.
third a belief that fire can cause pain.
fourth a belief that fire can kill or destroy someone or something.
fifth fire can leave someone scared for life.

So I suppose that a belief in the danger of fire can very well be a system of beliefs.

When we get lost in a pile of words, it may be best to sit back, take a deep breath, and wonder why.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You could say everyone is spiritual, to a point. It is built into the human condition even when we know it is irrational. But to say everyone is religious takes a lot of twisting.

I consider myself a religious atheist, but I really don't care to assert that everyone is a religious atheist.

So I think that Yaddoe's argument takes a lot of caring more than anything else.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

So let's get this straight now. You used a definition as evidence of your position. It was pointed out that you were interpreting it wrongly. Instead of admitting you were wrong you changed definitions. Also, instead of concentrating on definitions of the word "religious", which is what your argument should revolve around, you are trying to define "religion" and make your argument hinge on that. This, indeed, is twisting things to suit your needs while ignoring that which doesn't or proves you wrong.

So, I stand by my example. You did EXACTLY that.

using the word religious in the definition of the word religion is circular reasoning, so I pulled out a definition that was just as good without the word religious. Since then i have been sticking to the one definition of religion

"a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:"

I concentrate on the word religion because the definition of religious is "of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion" ~dictionary.com

Often I have used 2 different dictionaries.
Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online and Dictionary.com | Find the Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com
They were the same definitions, just worded a little differently.
Using a variety of reliable sources brings power to my statements.
My statement remains that as long as someone has a religion they are religious.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

You could say everyone is spiritual, to a point. It is built into the human condition even when we know it is irrational. But to say everyone is religious takes a lot of twisting.

I think pruning would be a more correct term to use than twisting.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Hey yaddoe, is this definition from Merriam-Webster wrong? And who are you to say it isn't right?

Do you see now why I pulled it out of multiple dictionaries?

 

[Draka]

You're hopping back and forth between dictionaries and definitions to find what suits you. If you use just Merriam-Webster it defines religious as:

: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>

religion is defined as:

: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices


Therefore making the definition of "religion" rely on the word "religious". Not the other way around. And no, it's not circular because the word "religious" is not relying on "religion".

Now...are you making the assertion that these definitions are somehow wrong or faulty? Are you claiming Merriam-Webster wrong? And by what authority do you do so?

 

[Draka]

Do you see now why I pulled it out of multiple dictionaries?

Yes, I do. So you could cherry pick and warp what you needed to suit your needs.

 

[Draka]

Pardon me while I get comfy and await the proof that yaddoe has to affirm why he can determine why one dictionary is wrong because he says so. :beach:

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

You're hopping back and forth between dictionaries and definitions to find what suits you. If you use just Merriam-Webster it defines religious as:

: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>

religion is defined as:

: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices


Therefore making the definition of "religion" rely on the word "religious". Not the other way around. And no, it's not circular because the word "religious" is not relying on "religion".

Now...are you making the assertion that these definitions are somehow wrong or faulty? Are you claiming Merriam-Webster wrong? And by what authority do you do so?

I'm not making religion rely on religious.
I'm making religious rely on religion.
There are many definitions of religion, all I need is one to prove me right, that one is at Dictionary.com.
Are you claiming that Dictionary.com is wrong? if so by what authority do you do so?

 

[waitasec]

are you saying all other dictionaries are wrong?

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you claiming that Dictionary.com is wrong? if so by what authority do you do so?

That's my preferred dictionary too.
But you'll see that many words have multiple definitions.
Selecting the right one for the context is where you fail, eg, when you conflate religious faith (certainty
of unprovable supernatural claims) with informal faith (expecting that which has happened before). But
don't worry....I'm here to help.

 

[Draka]

I'm not making religion rely on religious.
I'm making religious rely on religion.
There are many definitions of religion, all I need is one to prove me right, that one is at Dictionary.com.
Are you claiming that Dictionary.com is wrong? if so by what authority do you do so?

Nice tap dance. You are trying to make a blanket statement that everyone is religious based solely upon your particular choices of definitions. YOU are the one making the erroneous statement. YOU are the one whose statement requires that certain definitions are wrong. Unless all definitions agree with you you cannot make such a blanket statement. YOU are the one asserting something here and therefore, it is you that must defend such an assertion. You have failed to do so. Again, in order for your claim to be true then Merriam-Webster, and many other dictionaries, must be wrong. Is that what you are saying? That they are wrong?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

are you saying all other dictionaries are wrong?

No, I am saying there are multiple definitions out there for every word.
This is one definition that proves me right.

 

[Draka]

No, I am saying there are multiple definitions out there for every word.
This is one definition that proves me right.

While all others prove you wrong.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Nice tap dance. You are trying to make a blanket statement that everyone is religious based solely upon your particular choices of definitions. YOU are the one making the erroneous statement. YOU are the one whose statement requires that certain definitions are wrong. Unless all definitions agree with you you cannot make such a blanket statement. YOU are the one asserting something here and therefore, it is you that must defend such an assertion. You have failed to do so. Again, in order for your claim to be true then Merriam-Webster, and many other dictionaries, must be wrong. Is that what you are saying? That they are wrong?

I am not stating that other definitions are wrong.

the word run has 396 definitions, just because I refer to one of those definitions when I make the sentence "Jack and Jill went running up the hill to fetch some water."doesn't mean that all of the other 395 definitions are wrong. They are correct definitions, but I am only referring to one of them.
There are many definitions of the word religion but I am only referring to one of them.