Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

[Draka]

Wow, this is a little interesting. I just went to Dictionary.com and looked up religion and here is the definition I saw:

re·li·gion

[ri-lij-uh

n] Show IPA
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Hey yaddoe, if your argument hinges on Dictionary.com...put down your skates...the ice is way too thin.

 

[javajo]

I read this interesting quote on Grace:

It is not found in any of the world's cults or religions, nor in much of what poses for Christianity. From the Pharisees' stress on deeds to the mystics' focus on meditation, all religions emphasize human achievement. They are all bilateral agreements: God does part, we do part...But the God of Christianity is a God of unilateral action...God acted on His own, making a unilateral declaration of grace.

Any thoughts?

 

[McBell]

I read this interesting quote on religion:

It is not found in any of the world's cults or religions, nor in much of what poses for Christianity. From the Pharisees' stress on deeds to the mystics' focus on meditation, all religions emphasize human achievement. They are all bilateral agreements: God does part, we do part...But the God of Christianity is a God of unilateral action...God acted on His own, making a unilateral declaration of grace.

Any thoughts?

Wait, so the author is claiming that religion is not found in any religion?
Sounds to me as though it is nothing more than a big bunch of mental gymnastics.

perhaps if we were to use the 20/20 technique it would make more sense?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Wow, this is a little interesting. I just went to Dictionary.com and looked up religion and here is the definition I saw:



Hey yaddoe, if your argument hinges on Dictionary.com...put down your skates...the ice is way too thin.

There is more than one definition on Dictionary.com.
I never said there wasn't.

 

[javajo]

Wait, so the author is claiming that religion is not found in any religion?
Sounds to me as though it is nothing more than a big bunch of mental gymnastics.

perhaps if we were to use the 20/20 technique it would make more sense?

Sorry, had to edit that. He was speaking on grace, so:

It (grace) is not found in any of the world's cults or religions, nor in much of what poses for Christianity. From the Pharisees' stress on deeds to the mystics' focus on meditation, all religions emphasize human achievement. They are all bilateral agreements: God does par, we do part...But the God of Christianity is a God of unilateral action...God acted on His own, making a unilateral declaration of grace.

 

[Draka]

There is more than one definition on Dictionary.com.
I never said there wasn't.

However you seem to think that everyone should only accept the one particular one you use to back up your claim.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

However you seem to think that everyone should only accept the one particular one you use to back up your claim.

Honestly from the beginning I just wanted to point out that according to one definition everyone is religious.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is more than one definition on Dictionary.com.
I never said there wasn't.

What definition are you using?

 

[Acim]

However you seem to think that everyone should only accept the one particular one you use to back up your claim.

If yaddoe is saying / implying this, then yaddoe is saying this. But I think it isn't too hard to say that twp of the definitions at dictionary.com for religion are:

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

These are 2 of the 5. The other 3 are clearly in domain of "belief in supernatural." But as these 2 are not, it does mean that the definition that at least one dictionary (I would argue several dictionaries) is essentially allowing a whole lot of leeway in this term.

My attitude for most part is like, "so what?" So you think my fundamental set of beliefs are a religion. Okay, now what?

 

[blackout]

If yaddoe is saying / implying this, then yaddoe is saying this. But I think it isn't too hard to say that twp of the definitions at dictionary.com for religion are:



These are 2 of the 5. The other 3 are clearly in domain of "belief in supernatural." But as these 2 are not, it does mean that the definition that at least one dictionary (I would argue several dictionaries) is essentially allowing a whole lot of leeway in this term.

My attitude for most part is like, "so what?" So you think my fundamental set of beliefs are a religion. Okay, now what?

Even your own chosen dictionary definitions include
groups of persons, and sects.

Not everyone shares a specific set of beliefs and practices
with any sect, or group of people.

Even your own chosen definitions counter your stance.

 

[Acim]

Not everyone shares a specific set of beliefs and practices with any sect, or group of people.

I'll let you know when I meet someone who doesn't. Admittedly, those 3 years old and younger come to mind.

 

[McBell]

Sorry, had to edit that. He was speaking on grace, so:

It (grace) is not found in any of the world's cults or religions, nor in much of what poses for Christianity. From the Pharisees' stress on deeds to the mystics' focus on meditation, all religions emphasize human achievement. They are all bilateral agreements: God does par, we do part...But the God of Christianity is a God of unilateral action...God acted on His own, making a unilateral declaration of grace.

Ah, thanks for the clarification...
Based on the number 8 definition of Grace from Dictionary.com:

8. Theology a. the freely given, unmerited favor and love of God.
b. the influence or spirit of God operating in humans to regenerate or strengthen them.
c.a virtue or excellence of divine origin: the Christian graces.
d.Also called state of grace. the condition of being in God's favor or one of the elect.

​

I have to agree...

 

[blackout]

I'll let you know when I meet someone who doesn't. Admittedly, those 3 years old and younger come to mind.

Sure, If by set of 'beliefs' you mean things as mundane as shared labels,
ex- "the grass is green",
or shared experiential observations,
ex- when you turn the light switch "on"
the light comes on- or electricity works
(power running through wires makes things work) ...

but these things are hardly beliefs.

Beliefs require
*trust in people - trust in their word - (regarding honesty and/or correctness)
when they tell you something you have no way of ACTUALLY knowing for yourself.
(ex. media, 'experts', politicians, prophets, mediums)
*a strong intuition about a thing that is more of an opinion or a best guess/theory-
usually a conceptual notion.
*a strong intuition about a thing that can't be known until/unless it is Actually shown to be true.
(edison's belief that he could make an electric light,
or your belief that you can finish the marathon)
*a strong intuition or conviction about a thing that can never be shown to be true.
(ex, some supernatural personage I call god- healed my cancer, or helped us win the superbowl)

did I forget anything?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Yes, the definition I was using was #2 and #5.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, the definition I was using was #2 and #5.

Which post? There are many.
Perhaps you could state them, eh?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Definitions 2 and 5 on Dictionary.com (religion).

 

[Revoltingest]

Definitions 2 and 5 on Dictionary.com (religion).

Sigh....your posts are like IRS directions, referring to some other place rather than stating would could be stated.
But fear not! I'll provide them.
2. imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man. 3. scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
4. pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
5. appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances.

Now, we need a definition of "religion". Which do you prefer from the same source?
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Sigh....your posts are like IRS directions, referring to some other place rather than stating would could be stated.
But fear not! I'll provide them.
2. imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man. 3. scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
4. pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
5. appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances.

Now, we need a definition of "religion". Which do you prefer from the same source?
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

here
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.