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Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

Draka

Wonder Woman
this is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
they'll keep on singing it
they'll sing it just because
this is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
they'll keep on singing it
they'll sing it just because
this is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
they'll keep on singing it
they'll sing it just because
this is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
they'll keep on singing it
they'll sing it just because
this is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
they'll keep on singing it
they'll sing it just because
this is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
they'll keep on singing it
they'll sing it just because
 

Commoner

Headache
In the fact that religion is a system of beliefs that one uses to guide one's life, every decision a person makes whether good or bad is based on religion.

according to www.Merriam-webster.com
Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices


Oh okay, noting the word religious in the definition of religion is defining the word with the word. It is as you say circular reasoning to do so

according to dictionary.com the word religious means
"of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday."
pretty much something or someone that has something to do with religion

okay, what is religion? Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

a system of beliefs

What is ardor? ardor means loyalty
What is faith? firm belief in something for which there is no proof
What is an opinion? belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
What is a thought? something (as an opinion or belief) in the mind <he spoke his thoughts freely>
Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Wow, so long as someone has an opinion on something they are religious.

I'm not going to read the whole thread, let me just point out the obvious logical flaw in this conclusion. That religion is a belief, opinion, etc. does not make an opinion religion or religious. Just like a square being a rectangle doesn't make a rectangle a square.

Your argument is equivalent to saying that all rectangles are squares, (whether they choose to admit it or not). Fail.
 

Flat Earth Kyle

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to read the whole thread, let me just point out the obvious logical flaw in this conclusion. That religion is a belief, opinion, etc. does not make an opinion religion or religious. Just like a square being a rectangle doesn't make a rectangle a square.

Your argument is equivalent to saying that all rectangles are squares, (whether they choose to admit it or not). Fail.

A religion is any system of beliefs that one uses to guide their life.
 

wayward_teen

Beautiful Disaster
A religion is any system of beliefs that one uses to guide their life.

Your definition is invalid because it is way too broad. According to you, socialism (Any of various economic and political philosophies that support social equality, collective decision-making, distribution of income based on contribution and public ownership of productive capital and natural resources, as advocated by socialists) is a religion. So is cynicism, another well known philosophical belief.

If that was really true, every single person's individual set of beliefs would be a religion. You have not qualified that religions must be organized with this definition either, so there must certainly be billions and billions and billions of religions out there by you.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Woah!
Hold the PResses!

You mean you actually BELIEVE this crap you are stating?!?

Yes, it appears he does. It appears, by his own definition, it is a part of his religion to cherry pick and distort definitions in order to fit what he wants words to mean and then present this fabricated definition as some fact that everyone is supposed to accept. His religion tells him to twist, cherry pick, lie, distort and stick his fingers in his ears and close his eyes when evidence is presented which proves him wrong. Wait...I guess that does fit with certain religions doesn't it? :areyoucra
 

Commoner

Headache
A religion is any system of beliefs that one uses to guide their life.

That doesn't follow from the definitions you provided, nor is it used as such. Furthermore, it's not useful, we already have a term for "system of belief" - it's "system of belief" (or "belief system"). The only reason to use the word "religion" is to differentiate some systems of beliefs from others - namely, the religious ones from the non-religious ones (such as philosophical and ideological).

Again, by arguing that any system of beliefs is "religion", you've done nothing more than made "religion" synonymous with "belief system", just as you could claim that "square" is synonymous with "rectangle". Doesn't help the argument, becuase the "square" and the "rectangle" are still two different things, but now you need another word for "square" and have two synonymous words to use to describe "rectangle". Your argument is therefore reduced to semantics, but the distinction between the "square" and the "rectangle" still exists and so does the distinction between different types of belief systems. Fail.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That doesn't follow from the definitions you provided, nor is it used as such. Furthermore, it's not useful, we already have a term for "system of belief" - it's "system of belief" (or "belief system"). The only reason to use the word "religion" is to differentiate some systems of beliefs from others - namely, the religious ones from the non-religious ones (such as philosophical and ideological).

Again, by arguing that any system of beliefs is "religion", you've done nothing more than made "religion" synonymous with "belief system", just as you could claim that "square" is synonymous with "rectangle". Doesn't help the argument, becuase the "square" and the "rectangle" are still two different things, but now you need another word for "square" and have two synonymous words to use to describe "rectangle". Your argument is therefore reduced to semantics, but the distinction between the "square" and the "rectangle" still exists and so does the distinction between different types of belief systems. Fail.
I like this game.
He'd say that his mother is part of the human race.
A definition of "man" is to be human.
Therefore, his mother is a man.
It sounds like all men & women are men.
Hmmmm....this might be a useful argument over in one of those threads about whether or not homosexuality is natural.
 

blackout

Violet.
While yaddoe's bottom line definition of what constitutes a religion
seems overly simplistic to everyone? here,
I would like to point out that defining religion,
the qualifications of religion
is something that almost no one could agree about
when I asked the question some time back.

Apparently it's not as cut and dry
(ie, agreement on "what is religion")
as so many of you would seem to think.

... or maybe I'm wrong......

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/119871-what-religion.html
 
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Commoner

Headache
I like this game.
He'd say that his mother is part of the human race.
A definition of "man" is to be human.
Therefore, his mother is a man.
It sounds like all men & women are men.
Hmmmm....this might be a useful argument over in one of those threads about whether or not homosexuality is natural.

All men and women are men, it all comes from the same rib after all...
 

Commoner

Headache
While yaddoe's bottom line definition of what constitutes a religion
seems overly simplistic to everyone? here,
I would like to point out that defining religion,
the qualifications of religion
is something that almost no one could agree about
when I asked the question some time back.

Apparently it's not as cut and dry
(ie, agreement on "what is religion")
as so many of you would seem to think.

... or maybe I'm wrong......

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/119871-what-religion.html

No, I agree completely, it's hard to pin down. I mean, so is "well-being", for instance, but we don't therefore conclude that any form of existence is "well-being", which would be analogous to what yaddoe is doing. His argument isn't that it's hard to define religion, it isn't even that a religion could be anything. It's that anything/everything (any opinion, belief, etc...) is religion - and that's clearly false.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I'm not making religion rely on religious.
I'm making religious rely on religion.
There are many definitions of religion, all I need is one to prove me right, that one is at Dictionary.com.
Are you claiming that Dictionary.com is wrong? if so by what authority do you do so?

Here's the definition at dictionary.com:

Religion - noun

1.*belief in and worship of a God or other superhuman agency

2.*particular system of these beliefs
Your use of the term doesn't match this definition. It doesn't apply to most atheists.
 
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