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Evidence for a Creator God Who Likes Creating Things

Suave

Simulated character
The mere appearance of something isn't evidence of its origin. Please provide evidence for GodDidIt.

God is an intelligent creator of life. The euplotid nuclear code is the genetic code used by Euplotidae. The euplotid code is a symmetrical code, resulting from the symmetrical distribution of the codons. This symmetry allows for arythmic exploration of the codon distribution. Patterns are there fitting the criteria of an intelligent signal.


The code
AAs = FFLLSSSSYY**CCCWLLLLPPPPHHQQRRRRIIIMTTTTNNKKSSRRVVVVAAAADDEEGGGG
Starts = -----------------------------------M----------------------------
Base1 = TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Base2 = TTTTCCCCAAAAGGGGTTTTCCCCAAAAGGGGTTTTCCCCAAAAGGGGTTTTCCCCAAAAGGGG
Base3 = TCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAG
Bases: adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) or uracil (U).

Amino acids: Alanine (Ala, A), Arginine (Arg, R), Asparagine (Asn, N), Aspartic acid (Asp, D), Cysteine (Cys, C), Glutamic acid (Glu, E), Glutamine (Gln, Q), Glycine (Gly, G), Histidine (His, H), Isoleucine (Ile, I), Leucine (Leu, L), Lysine (Lys, K), Methionine (Met, M), Phenylalanine (Phe, F), Proline (Pro, P), Serine (Ser, S), Threonine (Thr, T), Tryptophan (Trp, W), Tyrosine (Tyr, Y), Valine (Val, V)

Differences from the standard code

DNA codons RNA codons This code (10)
Standard code (1)
TGA UGA Cys (C)
STOP = Ter (*)
 

Suave

Simulated character
Write it up, publish it.

A Nobel Prize awaits you.

But I'm not holding my breath as geology explains the landscape

Would anybody showing there is an intelligent signal in the Euplotidae's genetic code ( see post #181) be worthy of a Nobel Prize?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
God is an intelligent creator of life. The euplotid nuclear code is the genetic code used by Euplotidae. The euplotid code is a symmetrical code, resulting from the symmetrical distribution of the codons. This symmetry allows for arythmic exploration of the codon distribution. Patterns are there fitting the criteria of an intelligent signal.


The code
AAs = FFLLSSSSYY**CCCWLLLLPPPPHHQQRRRRIIIMTTTTNNKKSSRRVVVVAAAADDEEGGGG
Starts = -----------------------------------M----------------------------
Base1 = TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Base2 = TTTTCCCCAAAAGGGGTTTTCCCCAAAAGGGGTTTTCCCCAAAAGGGGTTTTCCCCAAAAGGGG
Base3 = TCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAGTCAG
Bases: adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) or uracil (U).

Amino acids: Alanine (Ala, A), Arginine (Arg, R), Asparagine (Asn, N), Aspartic acid (Asp, D), Cysteine (Cys, C), Glutamic acid (Glu, E), Glutamine (Gln, Q), Glycine (Gly, G), Histidine (His, H), Isoleucine (Ile, I), Leucine (Leu, L), Lysine (Lys, K), Methionine (Met, M), Phenylalanine (Phe, F), Proline (Pro, P), Serine (Ser, S), Threonine (Thr, T), Tryptophan (Trp, W), Tyrosine (Tyr, Y), Valine (Val, V)

Differences from the standard code

DNA codons RNA codons This code (10)
Standard code (1)

TGA UGA Cys (C)
STOP = Ter (*)
What is "euplotid nuclear code"?
What is an "Euplotidae"
What is a "Codon"? Codon distribution??
What is "arythmic exploration"

Why are there differences from the standard code?
 

thomas t

non-denominational Christian
What exactly do you think is the problem?
the principle of parsimony needs to be applied to competing hypotheses to explain a phenomenon, as I see it.
As I said in the part of my post you ignored: at best, we could say that if there is a creator that paid particular attention to what happened on earth, then we can conclude that it had some reason (it likes variety is not the only possibility) to create variety on earth (or, at least, what we regard as variety).
according to you.
(Yeah I left it out last time).
I don't think I have to prove God first to see evidence for a supernatural being intenting variety.
Oh yes, @HonestJoe , at this point I'll leave it open if it's a God or just some higher power, thank you for pointing that out.
The next step would be to try to find out which one it might be.

That's not a prediction. We already have that as a raw fact that is consistent with other explanations. The way evidence works is that your hypothesis has to tell us something about the world we haven't tested yet, or at least something that we could observe that would falsify it. If it's unfalsifiable, it's worthless daydreaming.
bolded mine.
If you don't like "prediction", take "fact" instead and put it in the place of where I said "prediction".
This makes you feel better, I think.:cool:
There are many facts that count as evidence.
If someone in court says "I saw him the day the victim was murdered"... is that falsifiable? I mean after the witness spoke? No. It happened already and it lies in the past.
But it's still evidence in court.
It does not lose its status as evidence, once the witness ended their testimony.

I think that's the analogy that we need here.
 

Suave

Simulated character
What is "euplotid nuclear code"?
What is an "Euplotidae"
What is a "Codon"? Codon distribution??
What is "arythmic exploration"

Why are there differences from the standard code?

The euplotid nuclear code is the genetic code used by Euplotidae. They are genus of ciliates in the subclass Euplotia. A codon is a sequence of three nucleotides which together form a unit of genetic code in a DNA or RNA molecule. The codons, 64 in number, are distributed over the coding parts of DNA sequences. The distribution function is the plot of frequency versus rank of the codons. Why there are differences between the standard genetic code and euplotid nuclear code are well-illustrated in the below diagram:

c5f7e324641e3f70ad502e4036aaf148.jpg
 

thomas t

non-denominational Christian
How would that work?
How would one recognize such?
I just was going to say that these two don't have to rule each other out. No less and no more than that. I don't want to go any further here...
Sure, but a piece of evidence that supports a great multitude of things, isn't exactly very helpful, now is it?
Well. Now we are debating the quality of the evidence, it seems. I agree: once the piece of evidence can support a multitude of things it is not the strongest evidence.
So what you want is the hypothesis to make predictions that other hypothesis don't.
No, here I am making the first step back at square one. Is or isn't there evidence at all? this is what I'm talking about here.
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A testimonial is evidence in court, even if there is better evidence than that.
See
The Legal Concept of Evidence > Notes (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

Exactly.
The same goes for god(s).

See? You get it. At least, when it comes to any other topic then your god.
Now realize that the unicorns have the exact same evidence going for them as gods do.

It really, really, really isn't.
Your "god" finds himself on the same shelve as extra-dimensional unicorns or any other mythical beast or ghost or spirit of poltergeist or what-have-you.

Any explanation involving undemonstrable, supernatural, magical, undefendable, unsupportable, unfalsifiable entities can by definition never by parsimonious.
It can (be parsimonious).
At this stage of the debate, I'll just leave it open, which higher power that was that potentially brought that variety we're talking about. The second step would be counting out candidates.... but this is not what I am after in this post....
It's the very thing you're trying to explain. So no, the road being wet is not evidence of how it got wet. Only that it got wet. To answer the how question, you need additional data.
[...]
, I was talking about the factoid of the road being wet only being evidence of the fact that the road is wet / get wet in some way.

It is, by itself, NOT evidence of how it got wet.
All it tells you is that it got wet in some way.
some minutes ago, I was answering @ratiocinator . She or he explains that a falsifiable prediction counts as evidence in science.
If someone asks you "Has it rained?"... and I tell you "I think it rained. Let's examine the road: I predict it is wet!" then it is a falsifiable prediction. Once you find the road wet, it is evidence for the claim that it rained.
This is not what I said.
This is what your colleague just finished explaining. I took ratiociantors explanation of evidence.... and applied it to the wet road... and you see: it worked!
Even if as a next step you could reply that you want to examinate the trees first before believing my hypothesis....
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I don't think I have to prove God first to see evidence for a supernatural being intenting variety.

You have to provide evidence that there is such a things as a "supernatural being" in the first place before you can ascribe the existence of variety to it.

If someone in court says "I saw him the day the victim was murdered"... is that falsifiable? I mean after the witness spoke? No.

Yes, actually. Somebody my come up with video evidence that the person was somewhere else at the time. To continue the analogy, even after somebody is convicted, there can be new evidence that can overturn it.

Unless your hypothesis tells us enough about reality to be falsifiable, it is worthless storytelling. I have an invisible, undetectable dragon in my garage. The evidence? I keep on losing single socks. It must come into the house sometimes and eats them. See? Totally unfalsifiable and totally worthless.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
The euplotid nuclear code is the genetic code used by Euplotidae. They are genus of ciliates in the subclass Euplotia. A codon is a sequence of three nucleotides which together form a unit of genetic code in a DNA or RNA molecule. The codons, 64 in number, are distributed over the coding parts of DNA sequences. The distribution function is the plot of frequency versus rank of the codons. Why there are differences between the standard genetic code and euplotid nuclear code are well-illustrated in the below diagram:

c5f7e324641e3f70ad502e4036aaf148.jpg
So how does that prove god?

And which god does it prove? Brahma, Vishnu, Allah, Yahweh ??
 

Suave

Simulated character
So how does that prove god?

And which god does it prove? Brahma, Vishnu, Allah, Yahweh ??

There is no particular God proven, just simply a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence left in genetic coding.

i-m-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.png
 
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thomas t

non-denominational Christian
This evidence for the dragon thing actually is falsifiable. You could just stop losing your socks...
Look: I don't care about dragons, though.
You have to provide evidence that there is such a things as a "supernatural being" in the first place before you can ascribe the existence of variety to it.
but I didn't ascribe variety to the God I am talking about.
I say a higher force that likes creating variety, that's all.

Yes, actually. Somebody my come up with video evidence that the person was somewhere else at the time. To continue the analogy, even after somebody is convicted, there can be new evidence that can overturn it.

Look, the variety on earth can also count as falsifiable then, I think.
Very much in the way the content of the testimonial can be falsified as you say...
All the variety on earth could (theoretically) fade away in a minute.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Look, the variety on earth can also count as falsifiable then, I think.
Very much in the way the content of the testimonial can be falsified as you say...
All the variety on earth could (theoretically) fade away in a minute.

Do you really not get this? To falsify a case in court, it's not that the previous evidence vanishes, it's that new evidence comes along that calls it into question.

In investigating explanations of the physical world, in order for you idea to have any credibility, it must tell us something about the world that we don't already know, or at least provide some set of observations that would render it false.

I just can't believe that you're being serious with this - it's so obviously a non-starter.
 
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