Evidence for a Creator God Who Likes Creating Things

[mikkel_the_dane]

there is a logical connection between variety and a potential variety loving Crator God.
This connection that I see is not an argument from ignorance. It's just an analogy to artists who also like doing what they do.
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No. You have to show the variation is the same, not just similar as you use the same word; i.e. variation. It has to be independent of you saying it is the same. You have to show that it is the same.

 

[ameyAtmA]

Geological activity and biological evolution.

Where's god in these processes?

He is the cause of all the chain of causes behind the algorithm and the math to make everything hold and maintain the laws

After a zillion iterations of derivatives of the Absolute Truth, finally algorithms and designs are made in His leadership.

Biological evolution:
selection, adaption,
GetThisEnvironment() - no need , but just for the records
IsEnvironmentConducive(this)
AugmentDNA()

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The point is to say, the suffering comes from my past "sins" or wrongdoing.
So i know that when i stop doing wrong, and do 8nøy Gods wish, then all my suffering will end too

You can't honestly believe that.

Good people don't get cancer?
Good people don't get hurt when they slip and fall?
Good people can't get robbed, raped, beaten,....?

Tell it to Jesus Christ, btw.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You can't honestly believe that.

Good people don't get cancer?
Good people don't get hurt when they slip and fall?
Good people can't get robbed, raped, beaten,....?

Tell it to Jesus Christ, btw.

Only one who has become as pure as God dont get sick or sin anymore.
Extremely few humans become like God in purity. I am far from pure enough

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well viruses and such are a good thing. They help with keeping populations in balance. So clever thinking on "god's" part.

If I were a god, I'ld choose a more humane way of keeping populations in balance.
Like for example selectively, or arbitrarily, rendering certain people infertile to simply artificially cap the amount of babies a generation can produce.

Or simply create a biological makeup where such a limit is "build in" so to say.

That a woman for example only has 4 eggs max at her disposal and simply can't bear 20 children.

But that's just me off course, who's not a sadistic a-hole.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The unexplained part (as I see it): why does geology have such a great potential to bring forth all kinds of landscapes?

That's not even a sensible question.
It's inevitable.

The kind of landscapes that are able to bring forth a great variety of plant and animal life...

You have that backwards.
Life adapts to the landscape / environment it finds itself in - not the other way round.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Aha - caught !

Natural ? Whose nature is it to be natural?
Who owns and spawns the process?

The thing about "natural" is that there is no "who".

A hurricane naturally forms. It's the inevitable result of certain environmental conditions and the forces that be. There is no "who" working in a hurricane factory.

 

[Samael_Khan]

There are so many things for the Theory of Evolution that cannot be repeated, either. Repeat the LUCA being the origin of all known life today.
Yet there is evidence for the LUCA.
Same with God, I think.

I don't disagree with you here in part.

Evolution does make accurate predictions which is proof of a process if they are making the predictions based off that theorised process.

But also it would be an assumption to say that something evolved we have no evidence linking a specific organism to a process. But it would still be the most likely conclusion based off our current knowledge.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The thing about "natural" is that there is no "who".

A hurricane naturally forms. It's the inevitable result of certain environmental conditions and the forces that be. There is no "who" working in a hurricane factory.

So you are unnatural, when you do subjective existential meaning. Or if the natural is the only real, are you in part unreal?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't disagree with you here in part.

Evolution does make accurate predictions which is proof of a process if they are making the predictions based off that theorised process.

But also it would be an assumption to say that something evolved we have no evidence linking a specific organism to a process. But it would still be the most likely conclusion based off our current knowledge.

Please explain what you mean by knowledge.

 

[ChristineM]

Agreed, but from the other direction. This language used is just an analogy to show how it comes from the other direction - Direction of ParaBrahman.

The information processing in our world is far far from nature in forward direction, and in God's arena is again far far from manifested nature in the opposite direction.

There is no other direction, entropy, (the arrow of time) only goes in one direction

 

[Messianic Israelite]

The mere appearance of something isn't evidence of its origin. Please provide evidence for GodDidIt.

Good afternoon SalixIncendium. Did a BigBangDoIt? I think I would rather believe Yahweh created all these things than support a theory infested with problems, sustained by numerous unobserved assumptions, and, most importantly, contradicts the biblical teaching of creation.

 

[ameyAtmA]

The thing about "natural" is that there is no "who".

A hurricane naturally forms. It's the inevitable result of certain environmental conditions and the forces that be. There is no "who" working in a hurricane factory.

Sorry to sound impersonally rude but isn't that a bit too myopic ? Hurricane factory?!

Hurricane is a result of a zillion causes composite. We are is a system of system of an endless chain of systems,
A process in an endless chain of nested recursive and parellel processes.

Before the implementation came the algorithm, prototype, design, and blueprint.
Before that came the math and the intelligence and the axioms and the laws.

There is no "Who" for the purpose of ego, yes, but there has to be an actual egoless Who to manifest and implement the What by engineering the How

 

[Samael_Khan]

If I were a god, I'ld choose a more humane way of keeping populations in balance.
Like for example selectively, or arbitrarily, rendering certain people infertile to simply artificially cap the amount of babies a generation can produce.

Or simply create a biological makeup where such a limit is "build in" so to say.

That a woman for example only has 4 eggs max at her disposal and simply can't bear 20 children.

But that's just me off course, who's not a sadistic a-hole.

To me, saying something is "humane" is just our emotions speaking. I care about that on a societal level, but not on a natural law level. But all the other stuff you mentioned is included I think. I also think that one of the most potent ways a god might have created to eliminate humans is human stupidity. As Einstein suspected, human stupidity is more infinite than the universe.

Darwin Awards: Evolution In Action

But, you can understand why god created horrible things like viruses. Even with them around humans still multiply like cockroaches. God did a crap job.

 

[ameyAtmA]

There is no other direction, entropy, (the arrow of time) only goes in one direction

Sure, we just cannot see the beginingless starting point (anAdi ananta)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Good afternoon SalixIncendium. Did a BigBangDoIt? I think I would rather believe Yahweh created all these things than support a theory infested with problems, sustained by numerous unobserved assumptions, and, most importantly, contradicts the biblical teaching of creation.

So you use unobserved assumptions to contradict other unobserved assumptions?

 

[Samael_Khan]

Please explain what you mean by knowledge.

The information that we have about the world as a society at the moment.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Good afternoon SalixIncendium. Did a BigBangDoIt? I think I would rather believe Yahweh created all these things than support a theory infested with problems, sustained by numerous unobserved assumptions, and, most importantly, contradicts the biblical teaching of creation.

What you would rather believe is of no consequence to me. One saying one has evidence of something one clearly does not is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Caught! Who gave the laws of nature?

The laws of nature weren't "given".

They instead are our descriptions of how the universe works.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The information that we have about the world as a society at the moment.

So you are in effect an epistemological realist?