EVIDENCE FOR ABIOGENESIS - WHAT IS IT ? Please supply it.

[exchemist]

Yes, but it at the very least made for some very good videos. Have you seen the PBS series on that trial? And Eugenie Scott gives some very good lectures on that trial as well. The discovery of the "transition fossil" cdesign proponentsists was extremely humorous.

I too have seen some YEC"s that reject all of the sciences. It is rather odd to find them on forums since they have to deny the very science that allows them to post at forums, but cognitive dissonance strikes deep with YEC's.

I do remember that typo, though I have not see the videos.

I was fascinated by the Kitzmiller trial at the time and printed off Judge Jones's judgement to read. And actually it was very good reading too! I had the impression he enjoyed that case. But what came through so clearly was the deceit, the bullying and the manipulative behaviour of the creationists - all of them soi-disant Christians.

Regarding videos, I remember reading about the one the Discovery Institute produced after they lost the trial, with farting noises on it, made personally by William Dembski. I think I posted somewhere on this forum a link to the ID Uncommon Descent website which confirms the existence of this video, by virtue of announcing it has now been re-released, with the farting noises removed! What a joke.

I read less about ID these days. I suspect it is on the skids, actually. The only manifestation of it in the UK is this website: https://www.c4id.org.uk which appears to have looked exactly the same for over a year. But then the movement got no traction here. We just don't have the same proportion of religious raving nutcases: we got rid of them all about 300 years ago.........to America!

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do remember that typo, though I have not see the videos.

I was fascinated by the Kitzmiller trial at the time and printed off Judge Jones's judgement to read. And actually it was very good reading too! I had the impression he enjoyed that case. But what came through so clearly was the deceit, the bullying and the manipulative behaviour of the creationists - all of them soi-disant Christians.

Regarding videos, I remember reading about the one the Discovery Institute produced after they lost the trial, with farting noises on it, made personally by William Dembski. I think I posted somewhere on this forum a link to the ID Uncommon Descent website which confirms the existence of this video, by virtue of announcing it has now been re-released, with the farting noises removed! What a joke.

I read less about ID these days. I suspect it is on the skids, actually. The only manifestation of it in the UK is this website: https://www.c4id.org.uk which appears to have looked exactly the same for over a year. But then the movement got no traction here. We just don't have the same proportion of religious raving nutcases: we got rid of them all about 300 years ago.........to America!

Yeah, thanks a lot. How about an exchange program. We will send you Ken Ham, as an Australian he is more "British" than American, Ray Comfort (a Kiwi) and Kent Hovind. You can send over the mathematician with the amazingly poor arguments. We each get a fresh load of crazies for our countries. You could probably name a couple of others as well.

 

[exchemist]

Yeah, thanks a lot. How about an exchange program. We will send you Ken Ham, as an Australian he is more "British" than American, Ray Comfort (a Kiwi) and Kent Hovind. You can send over the mathematician with the amazingly poor arguments. We each get a fresh load of crazies for our countries. You could probably name a couple of others as well.

Heh heh. But I thought Hovind was doing time for tax fraud. Or is he out?

Which mathematician do you have in mind? When I think of mathematical loonies I think of Dembski, but he is one of your home-grown specimens.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Heh heh. But I thought Hovind was doing time for tax fraud. Or is he out?

Which mathematician do you have in mind? When I think of mathematical loonies I think of Dembski, but he is one of your home-grown specimens.

The old ex-con has been free for a good two years. He did his roughly ten years and now he is a fully reformed model citizen

He is still as delusional as ever, though there was one "discussion" and not a debate that he was in where he got his rear end waxed. Since Hovind has a very dishonest debating style a YouTuber, Aron Ra to be specific, met him in a moderated discussion. But every time that Hovind made an error Aron was free to explain his error to him. Hovind was a sputtering mess by the end of it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That the theory of evolution does not deal with abiogenesis is hardly begging the question either. The theory does not assume abiogenesis, so there is no need to deal with it. The theory works fine regardless of the original source of life. It would even work just as well if the first cell was created by God.

"Ohm's Law doesn't tell us how electrons came into being, so what it says about how electrons behave can't be correct!"

Makes about as much sense as what the creationists are arguing here.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You would need to define life first. It's no mystery when conditions and circumstances are right, life will eventually erupt.

One could ask the same question for ourselves. How did we one day spontaneously generate i

Well, if it isn't a mystery, just tell me how it works, it seems to be a mystery to everyone else.

You do realize, don't you, that living organisms produce living organisms ? non living anything cannot produce anything living.

I think you seventh grade science class defined life, didn't it ?

If that was entrely the case we would not be chemically comprised of inorganic substances. Iron is a great example that without, life would not be possible as a human being.

More specific, biological virus's tread the line between the definition of living and non living.