Evidence for an ancient earth

[Bob the Unbeliever]

We have no idea what is God or how he looks like because nothing in nature is comparable to him, so for sure it isn't
kind of flying Spaghetti or anything of our imaginations.

Prove it isn't. So certain you are. Google the word "hubris". You are suffering from it in a very large way. Ego, too.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Who said that God is always good and why he has to be so? a policeman is good even though that he
may kill some evil ones.

A god who is not always good? Is, by definition-- EVIL.

Do you really want to go there?

A policeman is a mere mortal man-- are you saying that your god isn't even as good as a mere mortal man?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Prophecies to me is an enough proof added to the rational thinking except if we want to think of things as
happening due to coincidences.

Except that you do not have any. Actual prophecies, that is.

Sorry about that, Chief. You are going to have to do better than citing "delusions" as "proof".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Prophecies isn't delusion.

Indeed... many are simply lies.

 

[Polymath257]

The same as a physical computer processing a given data, do you think that it does so just because
of the physical body of the computer.

Yes. There is absolutely no evidence otherwise. ALL the evidence is in favor of saying the brain is the organ that thinks in humans.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

So you concede the point, in a creation of God, it's perfectly logical that the story of his creation that unfolds, may begin with predetermined settings and circumstances and implied histories to give the sotry context, as do the vast majority of our creative works

Just as the inclusion of dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, doesn't mean you started shooting the movie millions of years ago, that would be a rather naive conclusion wouldn't it?

We are human-- so naturally we interpret everything we perceive within the limitations of our primary senses.

As such, our theories and models of how the universe works, are limited by these-- electromagnetic detectors, vibration detectors, and so on.

We humans are getting better at expanding our senses, using "prosthetic" engines that detect things for which we have no biological equivalent, such as radiation, gravity, electricity, and so on. We do translate these findings into visual media, of course, that being our principle method of observation.

A being who had never evolved sight or anything resembling sight, but rather, used sonar or some other active sense (as opposed to sight, which is purely passive--dependent on ambient reflected light), might come up with a slightly different model.

I doubt that, however-- if you get enough information, it tends to smooth out the biases inherent to limited media.

 

[Polymath257]

And how it answers my question, we don't see real particles appear from vacuum.

Start with 1:20 into this video.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Start with 1:20 into this video.

A very cool video. Thanks! I had to make a cuppa strong coffee to get most of it, but... cool!

 

[FearGod]

Prove it isn't. So certain you are. Google the word "hubris". You are suffering from it in a very large way. Ego, too.

How to prove a thing that I know nothing about, but not knowing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[FearGod]

A god who is not always good? Is, by definition-- EVIL.

Do you really want to go there?

A policeman is a mere mortal man-- are you saying that your god isn't even as good as a mere mortal man?

Are you immoral if you killed some ants?

 

[FearGod]

Except that you do not have any. Actual prophecies, that is.

Sorry about that, Chief. You are going to have to do better than citing "delusions" as "proof".

The prophecies have been fulfilled, how that's delusion?,

 

[Polymath257]

How to prove a thing that I know nothing about, but not knowing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

No, but lack of evidence in spite of concerted attempts by believers gives strong indication of non-existence.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How to prove a thing that I know nothing about, but not knowing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I have it on Good Authority™ that there is a silver teapot, in orbit around the planet Mercury. It is a modest teapot, about 10 inches around, so we cannot detect it with our current RADAR telescopes.

But, it's there-- Trust Me™.

Prove that it isn't...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Are you immoral if you killed some ants?

Rabbit Trail. I'm not god, and I do not claim to be one.

I fully expect Godly Morality from an actual god-- NOT one indistinguishable from mere human morals.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The prophecies have been fulfilled, how that's delusion?,

Oh, how you lie, here. Unless you mean by, "fulfilled" as "not at all".

Hint: It's not a "prophecy" to say, "I predict the Moon Will Rise Sometime Next Month", and then crow about how "accurate you were".

Hint: It's not a "prophecy" to claim, "One Day Humans Will Fight One Another". This is mere observation of human behavior, and predicting likely behavior from observed patterns.

Hint: It's not a "prophecy" if you must change the names of the countries mentioned in the supposed prophecy-text, to match with modern names. Did not the god in question know the real names? No? Hmmmmmmm... rather an oversight! Or more likely-- ineptitude due to not existing.

100% of the so-called "prophecies" that are "fulfilled" are one of that sort. OR? They are written after the "blessed event"-- which makes them history, not prophecy. Calling a historical piece "prophecy" is lying.

In neither case do they qualify.

 

[FearGod]

I have it on Good Authority™ that there is a silver teapot, in orbit around the planet Mercury. It is a modest teapot, about 10 inches around, so we cannot detect it with our current RADAR telescopes.

But, it's there-- Trust Me™.

Prove that it isn't...

Then how if 7 heavens far, you'll never find him, but does that mean he doesn't exist, not
proving it doesn't mean we're 100% that God doesn't exist.

 

[FearGod]

Rabbit Trail. I'm not god, and I do not claim to be one.

I fully expect Godly Morality from an actual god-- NOT one indistinguishable from mere human morals.

Are you a bad human if you killed ants? yes or no

 

[FearGod]

Oh, how you lie, here. Unless you mean by, "fulfilled" as "not at all".

Hint: It's not a "prophecy" to say, "I predict the Moon Will Rise Sometime Next Month", and then crow about how "accurate you were".

Hint: It's not a "prophecy" to claim, "One Day Humans Will Fight One Another". This is mere observation of human behavior, and predicting likely behavior from observed patterns.

Hint: It's not a "prophecy" if you must change the names of the countries mentioned in the supposed prophecy-text, to match with modern names. Did not the god in question know the real names? No? Hmmmmmmm... rather an oversight! Or more likely-- ineptitude due to not existing.

100% of the so-called "prophecies" that are "fulfilled" are one of that sort. OR? They are written after the "blessed event"-- which makes them history, not prophecy. Calling a historical piece "prophecy" is lying.

In neither case do they qualify.

Not history since it speaks about the end of times.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Then how if 7 heavens far, you'll never find him, but does that mean he doesn't exist, not
proving it doesn't mean we're 100% that God doesn't exist.

Again: define exactly what you mean by "god", and we can go from there.

If you cannot so define your deity? It may as well not exist for all that it matters--- nebulous, un-defined deities do not actually do anything.

No, it's not until you start making claims about what you god will (and won't) do, that it then becomes possible to prove such a god cannot exist-- and therefore, does not.

We already have an Epic Fail, on the part of your god: You claim "good" but you also state your god commits evil acts.

Thus? Your god is evil, and not good-- or simply does not exist. Most likely, does not exist, as evil gods won't do good things, by definition.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Are you a bad human if you killed ants? yes or no

Not germane to the point-- I'm **human***. I'm not a deity.

Your god is no more moral than a mere human.... sad.