Evidence For And Against Evolution

[Subduction Zone]

Do you know that many male mammals have a penile bone. Do you know that the human male does not have a penile bone? When the ancient storytellers were concocting stories about man's origins and nature, the original story was that God took the penile bone from the human male and used it to produce the female. That explains why human males do not have a penile bone. It also promotes the idea that God made females from the male and that they are (still) subservient to males.

I always thought it funny that God could make males and females of all kinds of animals, but didn't think it was necessary to make a female human. Perhaps that was because God didn't need a female version of himself to pal around with. That, in and of itself, shows we are much closer to animals than to a God.

I guess that would explain penis envy too.

Freud was a creationist!

 

[Tiberius]

You may say that there was no "first" male and "first" female. But do you know beyond speculation? Let's start there for a while, shall we, I mean insofar as evolution is concerned. Odd, though, in this context that the Bible says Eve came from Adam's rib. Thus she was very much alike to Adam with some rather major differences. The DNA was obviously very similar. But distinctly different. So Eve was part of Adam. And Adam was part of Eve. Neat, isn't it, how it works out?

Actually, the DNA would have been identical.

 

[Bear Wild]

Actually, the DNA would have been identical.

And eve was a male, xy chromosomes. But wait that creates a problem doesn't it. If Adam was male and eve was made from Adam rib then eve was, oh my, a man. That fits that man was created in gods image and gods genetics. This raises a definite question - when did a woman actually appear on the earth. From the bible creation story we started with to xy genetical partners therefore it was two men in the garden of Eden. This sounds weird already. Where did they get the women from? Maybe when the ate the apple they realized they were both male then felt ashamed.

This is what you get when you accept a creation story as fact and not myth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And eve was a male, xy chromosomes. But wait that creates a problem doesn't it. If Adam was male and eve was made from Adam rib then eve was, oh my, a man. That fits that man was created in gods image and gods genetics. This raises a definite question - when did a woman actually appear on the earth. From the bible creation story we started with to xy genetical partners therefore it was two men in the garden of Eden. This sounds weird already. Where did they get the women from? Maybe when the ate the apple they realized they were both male then felt ashamed.

This is what you get when you accept a creation story as fact and not myth.

So it was Adam and Steve after all!

 

[Bear Wild]

So it was Adam and Steve after all!

I am afraid so. They must have changed Steve's name to eve to avoid the controversy. So god made man in his own image and you get Adam and Steve, but where did women come from? I guess god had a goddess on the side or something. Mystery of the bible.

 

[night912]

That's ridiculous and far away from the discussion. So -- so long for now.

So you disagree? You think that it's impossible to have a child in that way? Show me your evidence that a female cannot get pregnant and have a child that way.

Or are you simply saying that it's impossible to get pregnant and have a child without having sexual intercourse? If that's what you're saying, then you have just disagreed with yourself.

You were so good at using your imagination before, so why stop now?

Now do I think it is the most effective way and/or the most "natural" way of getting pregnant? Certainly not. But I say this with a smile -- not impossible.

BTW,
If someone can't handle wisecracks responses to their wisecrack comments, before making a wisecrack comment, perhaps that person should think about it and realize that, there's always a bigger fish. It wasn't that long ago that you were smiling. And apparently, it doesn't take long for you to stop smiling either.

 

[night912]

Hmm, I was thinking about that. And the answer is that the true God Almighty was never born, made, or created. Can I understand it? No. It is beyond human comprehension except to recognize that. Because we have a beginning. And God does not. Do I understand, or comprehend that? (No.) Does that mean, because I do not understand that there is no God from everlasting to everlasting? NoYES, you guessed it. God is greater than anything else. But you just admitted that you don't understand

God is greater than anything else.

So God is greater at being nonexistent than a fictional character from a novel. Got it.

Keep in mind, this is Your True belief of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Biblical answers

https://youtube.com/c/TheOldPath

Spamming the threads with the same video is against the rules here.

 

[YoursTrue]

Because a population of only two individuals would be a bottleneck to such a degree, we would see the lack of genetic diversity in the population today.



If she came from his rib, the genetics would be *identical*. In other words, she would be male.

lol -- that's why God did it as He willed.
No bottlenecks necessary anyway.
God can manipulate genetics as He wills, since He created genetics. Thinking about it -- the clay doesn't say to the potter, why did you make me this way.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do you find these concepts so difficult to understand? And, given that you admit you don't understand them, why do you believe them?

You are making claims about something you admit to not understanding. These claims are based on no evidence other than hearsay. And yet, you fervently adopt them and cannot seem to imagine that others don't think them to be reasonable beliefs.

I find these concepts fairly easy to understand. I just don't think they are believable.

Ummmm
Einstein figured light bends, didn't he? If I'm wrong, please correct me. -- did he "understand" it? (I doubt it. But he recognized it.) Anyway, I hope I have the opportunity to speak to Mr. Einstein when he is resurrected. I hope to get a chance to ask him then. I doubt he'll understand it then, but I'd like to hear how he figured that light bends. Yes - mankind will never understand something that has 'no beginning.' In another scenario. Before 'I' was born, I was not. See? But others were that contributed, donated by default(?) to my existence. I didn't know when I was conceived. You may not think it relevant to your point. I do. Anyway, have a good evening and nice day tomorrow, as the earth faces real great difficulties.

 

[Subduction Zone]

lol -- that's why God did it as He willed.
No bottlenecks necessary anyway.
God can manipulate genetics as He wills, since He created genetics. Thinking about it -- the clay doesn't say to the potter, why did you make me this way.

You do not seem to understand. God's screw up would have resulted in a universal bottleneck. That we do not see one, but see bottlenecks that predate the Ark myth tells us that there was no Noah's Ark. Unless you believe that your God is a liar.

You do realize that you are right now claiming that your God is a liar, don't you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ummmm
Einstein figured light bends, didn't he? If I'm wrong, please correct me. -- did he "understand" it? (I doubt it. But he recognized it.) Anyway, I hope I have the opportunity to speak to Mr. Einstein when he is resurrected. I hope to get a chance to ask him then. I doubt he'll understand it then, but I'd like to hear how he figured that light bends. Yes - mankind will never understand something that has 'no beginning.' In another scenario. Before 'I' was born, I was not. See? But others were that contributed, donated by default(?) to my existence. I didn't know when I was conceived. You may not think it relevant to your point. I do. Anyway, have a good evening and nice day tomorrow, as the earth faces real great difficulties.

Why do some people assume that just because they cannot understand a concept that no one else can? Technically light does not curve. It follows a straight line. It is space itself that is curved, and yes Einstein understood this very well.

 

[YoursTrue]

That depends on which genes one is referring to. The reality is that we are a "Naked Ape", as anthropologist Desmond Morris named us in his book by the same name, and most everything that "separate us" is simply just a matter of degrees.

I agree that it's a matter of sometimes very small degrees that makes humans different from, um, gorillas and chimpanzees. But -- I also still notice that things like writing and historical records have progressed rather rapidly from, um, humans -- not too much from chimpanzees, crocodiles, turtles, etc. So, summing it up, these little differences in genetics make a rather large difference in fulfilment of intellect and capabilities unique to the human figure. So, it astounds me that ants, the little beings they are, have astonishing capabilities, different from humans. I also doubt that their intellectual capacities are not too great. Maybe they just don't want to write books, write down songs, things like that. You think?

 

[Bear Wild]

lol -- that's why God did it as He willed.
No bottlenecks necessary anyway.
God can manipulate genetics as He wills, since He created genetics. Thinking about it -- the clay doesn't say to the potter, why did you make me this way.

So god is behind all of the genetic changes causing cancer, birth defects, and the other multitude of diseases in mankind. I guess god changed the genetics of the coronavirus so that it would infect mankind. God all of the viruses that cause human illness. With all of the suffering from these disease, you must start to wonder about god. Why god is so cruel?

 

[YoursTrue]

So if you don't understand it and can't demonstrate it, why do you believe it so fervently?

Just like I don't understand how the earth was formed, although I believe it was devoid of life prior to life being put on it. If you can't demonstrate (or explain the origin of) something, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like, let's say, how the magnetic forces exist or especially how they came about. There are lots of things I can marvel at, such as the formation of speech in humans, taking the intellectual as well as physical fantastic qualities. I can't explain how it came about because -- I wasn't there when these things were made/constructed. Anyway, I hope you get the point. But that's my hope. That you get the point, or understand. In other words, some things exist, but which cannot be explained. Which means that while we can 'live' with them, we don't really know how they got there, or even what they are.
By the way, I don't think chimpanzees or turtles wonder much about things like gravity, atoms and genetics. See? We're (humans) different (in that sense). And lots of other senses.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do you find these concepts so difficult to understand? And, given that you admit you don't understand them, why do you believe them?

You are making claims about something you admit to not understanding. These claims are based on no evidence other than hearsay. And yet, you fervently adopt them and cannot seem to imagine that others don't think them to be reasonable beliefs.

I find these concepts fairly easy to understand. I just don't think they are believable.

So, going back to your comment, you don't think that something has no beginning? just to say. I'm sure greater philosophers and scientists have wrestled, shall we say, with this question.

 

[Bear Wild]

I agree that it's a matter of sometimes very small degrees that makes humans different from, um, gorillas and chimpanzees. But -- I also still notice that things like writing and historical records have progressed rather rapidly from, um, humans -- not too much from chimpanzees, crocodiles, turtles, etc. So, summing it up, these little differences in genetics make a rather large difference in fulfilment of intellect and capabilities unique to the human figure. So, it astounds me that ants, the little beings they are, have astonishing capabilities, different from humans. I also doubt that their intellectual capacities are not too great. Maybe they just don't want to write books, write down songs, things like that. You think?

What a silly response. What gave man the current advantage was the development of complex language which did not require much change in the genetic code. All that you present is behavioral changes with increasing social complexity. This is what allowed human to alter their environment so effectively. So are humans that intelligent, well if you are basing it on the effect of an organism on its environment in a long term perspective then humans are actually not that intelligent are they. Humans with all of our poetry, art, architecture, music seem to have no insight at all on what is important - preserving the environment that supports life. So before you think you are so special, take a look around and see if there is any other organism destroying their ecology more effectively than humans. Remember you cannot breath music to live, eat books for physical nourishment, or use poetry to keep yourself warm when it is 6 degrees outside as it is in Texas right now.

 

[YoursTrue]

I guess I'm never going to get a response to this?

The DNA -- any idea where or how it came about?

 

[YoursTrue]

Actually, the DNA would have been identical.

Clearly a woman resembles a man with certain rather profound differences. The question is: how did difference of dna come about re: male and female. Please don't just say evolution. (thanks.)

 

[Bear Wild]

By the way, I don't think chimpanzees or turtles wonder much about things like gravity, atoms and genetics. See? We're (humans) different (in that sense). And lots of other senses.

Maybe chimpanzees and turtles do think about these things or maybe not, we do not know. But despite knowing these things humans are not improving the world we live in. So we are different in our self-indulged wants causing mass extinction of life. So I guess you are right, humans are different with little to no respect for life other than ours elfish own needs. We are different in that we take, consume and destroy and rarely give back. Not a very nice picture for humans.