Evidence For And Against Evolution

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I didn't think of a solid firmament but of a vapor filled mass surrounding the earth. How it happened, or how it appeared to be, I don't know. But in terms of flood from above and below the earth, and pushing up of mountains, it makes sense to me.

That is because you have no education in the sciences. How would a "vapor filled mass" be kept above the atmosphere? And though you do not realize it both of your sources would have cooked Noah and family.

 

[YoursTrue]

Correction, you do not know how to do any experiments. You should never say something cannot be done when you do not understand the sciences at all.

Perhaps a Neanderthal man or woman can be resurrected by scientific means and experiments can be done. What do you think?
By the way, on the subject of water canopy over the earth as Genesis says there was, it appears that others have wondered about water in other areas of the universe. And, as we also KNOW, planets are not the same. So it seems that astronomers believe-feel there is water in other realms of space. That some heavenly bodies evidently do not have water does not mean all planets are the same.
**Genesis 1:6-8: Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.**
So, it is apparent to me that God prepared the earth with the prospect of plant, animal and delightful human life as the objective. I also believe He wanted to delight mankind with growing things, also for mankind to inhabit and take care of the earth. Odd, though, that the Bible writers realized that something went wrong with mankind when in fact people are now ruining the earth, and scientists are saying also that mankind itself it killing the earth. This was not to be so at the beginning. For me, that is in harmony with logic. Few persons are willing to give up destructive methods in order to "save the earth."

 

[YoursTrue]

That is because you have no education in the sciences. How would a "vapor filled mass" be kept above the atmosphere? And though you do not realize it both of your sources would have cooked Noah and family.

As I said, I personally can't testify for everything. (And neither can you.) I can't say if the water canopy was open at certain points, or how it was. As far as cooking, could you please explain your viewpoint there.

 

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Perhaps a Neanderthal man or woman can be resurrected by scientific means and experiments can be done. What do you think?
By the way, on the subject of water canopy over the earth as Genesis says there was, it appears that others have wondered about water in other areas of the universe. And, as we also KNOW, planets are not the same. So it seems that astronomers believe-feel there is water in other realms of space. That some heavenly bodies evidently do not have water does not mean all planets are the same.
**Genesis 1:6-8: Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.**
So, it is apparent to me that God prepared the earth with the prospect of plant, animal and delightful human life as the objective. I also believe He wanted to delight mankind with growing things, also for mankind to inhabit and take care of the earth. Odd, though, that the Bible writers realized that something went wrong with mankind when in fact people are now ruining the earth, and scientists are saying also that mankind itself it killing the earth. This was not to be so at the beginning. For me, that is in harmony with logic. Few persons are willing to give up destructive methods in order to "save the earth."

No need to reanimate anything. Their DNA has survived and that can be tested.

And your special pleading does not help. You were asked a question, admit that you cannot answer it. Do you realize that water from space would cook Noah?

 

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As I said, I personally can't testify for everything. (And neither can you.) I can't say if the water canopy was open at certain points, or how it was. As far as cooking, could you please explain your viewpoint there.

Actually I can. I understand math.

Have you ever watched a large rocket take off? It takes A LOT OF ENERGY to get an object into space. When an object comes down a lot of energy is released. Any large amount of water coming from space would be extremely hot.

 

[YoursTrue]

Actually I can. I understand math.

Have you ever watched a large rocket take off? It takes A LOT OF ENERGY to get an object into space. When an object comes down a lot of energy is released. Any large amount of water coming from space would be extremely hot.

I see what you're saying. But the Bible does not indicate it came down in one lump sum, which is interesting, too, as I see it. Because it took 40 days and 40 nights of downpour and outpouring from underground waters evidently, to cover the earth.

 

[YoursTrue]

No need to reanimate anything. Their DNA has survived and that can be tested.

And your special pleading does not help. You were asked a question, admit that you cannot answer it. Do you realize that water from space would cook Noah?

The water didn't come from space. It came from the water that was evidently around the earth. It didn't fly in from outer space, so to speak. You still didn't answer. Whether it's special pleading or not, I'm giving you my viewpoint as to why I do not consider it impossible both in generic terms and in extraordinary terms for the flood to have happened as recorded. You are more scientifically educated than I am, but that does not mean I can't question you or that I have to believe everything you and others say. On the other hand, do I believe what the Bible says? Yes. Do I believe everything it says, even if I can't explain everything? Yes. Do I also believe that things are happening that are beyond mankind's control? Yes, indeed. And do I believe these things are in harmony with what the Bible says? Yes again.
(Luke `17:26,27 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.…")
Scientists themselves are hypothesizing that mankind is at odds with itself. Both in an evolutionary fashion (destructiveness) and a moral way (selfishness, greediness). Yet some things go on as normal. Eating, drinking, going to work, lawsuits, taking care of animals sometimes, BUT -- many many bad things are happening. And scientists say that the earth may not recover from the destructiveness of men--not of animals. So yes, I believe that the Bible is telling the truth.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is because you have no education in the sciences. How would a "vapor filled mass" be kept above the atmosphere? And though you do not realize it both of your sources would have cooked Noah and family.

The same way a cloud is filled with water, or moisture. I don't think it was above the atmosphere, by the way. It was in the atmosphere, close to the earth, like clouds are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see what you're saying. But the Bible does not indicate it came down in one lump sum, which is interesting, too, as I see it. Because it took 40 days and 40 nights of downpour and outpouring from underground waters evidently, to cover the earth.

Since you would need anything over five vertical miles of water it does not matter. Where does your "underground water" come from? Definitely not from aquifers. They do not have the capacity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The water didn't come from space. It came from the water that was evidently around the earth. It didn't fly in from outer space, so to speak. You still didn't answer. Whether it's special pleading or not, I'm giving you my viewpoint as to why I do not consider it impossible both in generic terms and in extraordinary terms for the flood to have happened as recorded. You are more scientifically educated than I am, but that does not mean I can't question you or that I have to believe everything you and others say. On the other hand, do I believe what the Bible says? Yes. Do I believe everything it says, even if I can't explain everything? Yes. Do I also believe that things are happening that are beyond mankind's control? Yes, indeed. And do I believe these things are in harmony with what the Bible says? Yes again.
(Luke `17:26,27 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.…")
Scientists themselves are hypothesizing that mankind is at odds with itself. Both in an evolutionary fashion (destructiveness) and a moral way (selfishness, greediness). Yet some things go on as normal. Eating, drinking, going to work, lawsuits, taking care of animals sometimes, BUT -- many many bad things are happening. And scientists say that the earth may not recover from the destructiveness of men--not of animals. So yes, I believe that the Bible is telling the truth.

"Around the Earth" is space. Even low Earth orbit is too much.

 

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The same way a cloud is filled with water, or moisture. I don't think it was above the atmosphere, by the way. It was in the atmosphere, close to the earth, like clouds are.

The atmosphere can hold very little water. Only a few inches at most.

 

[YoursTrue]

IT DOESN'T MATTER

It has no relevancy to the accuracy and validity of explanatory models of modern biology

Sheesh, give it a rest already.
Bring a real argument.

Everything is built on hypothesis which in the case of fossils, cannot be proven. Because nothing shows a gradual development in genes or body of fins developing into legs. You may say that's what happened, but there is no evidence of any gradual growth or development in that respect, genetically. And no specimens to show a gradual development, genetically and biologically in any emerging, evolving stage. Scientists may say that is what happened, buy where is the evidence of any gradual growth, genetically changing?

 

[YoursTrue]

"Around the Earth" is space. Even low Earth orbit is too much.

Well, the earth is the earth and generally not the sky if that's what you mean. Clouds are not earth. They are in the atmosphere, not generally thought of as outer space.

 

[YoursTrue]

The atmosphere can hold very little water. Only a few inches at most.

And you know this was always the case because...?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everything is built on hypothesis which in the case of fossils, cannot be proven. Because nothing shows a gradual development in genes or body of fins developing into legs. You may say that's what happened, but there is no evidence of any gradual growth or development in that respect, genetically. And no specimens to show a gradual development, genetically and biologically in any emerging, evolving stage. Scientists may say that is what happened, buy where is the evidence of any gradual growth, genetically changing?

You have to be kidding. There are fossils for all of that. Where do you get your info from?

 

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And you know this was always the case because...?

Math. Physics. Chemistry.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, the earth is the earth and generally not the sky if that's what you mean. Clouds are not earth. They are in the atmosphere, not generally thought of as outer space.

And they can only hold so much water.

 

[YoursTrue]

You have to be kidding. There are fossils for all of that. Where do you get your info from?

There are fossils proving (showing) the incremental changes within the genes and bones and chemistry of the evolvING organism? Really? Please do show a link at least, if not the "evidence." Thank you.

Math. Physics. Chemistry.

Oh? Math, physics and chemistry tells you that there was never a greater mass of clouds over the earth holding water than there is today? Really? And that humans would fry up in that situation? Again, can you back up your offerings with actual knowledge (proof? evidence?)?

 

[YoursTrue]

And they can only hold so much water.

I'm assuming that is correct. However, how do you again know that was always the case in the past? Remember -- on another level, it has been said the tectonic plates have moved. So if the EARTH wasn't always the same, mountains and all, what again makes you think that the skies holding water-moisture haven't changed?
2 Peter 3 says: 5 But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world of that time perished in the flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are fossils proving (showing) the incremental changes within the genes and bones and chemistry of the evolvING organism? Really? Please do show a link at least, if not the "evidence." Thank you.

Oh? Math, physics and chemistry tells you that there was never a greater mass of clouds over the earth holding water than there is today? Really? And that humans would fry up in that situation? Again, can you back up your offerings with actual knowledge (proof? evidence?)?

Please, drop the poorly asked questions if you want a polite answer.

Try again.