Evidence for Jesus' Resurrection

[Spartan]

The Early Christians Who Believed Jesus Was Saved From ...
www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2017/06/30/the-early...
Jun 30, 2017 · There were early Christian groups who denied the crucifixion of Jesus, such as the first century scholar Basilides and his followers, the Basilidians. They believed that Jesus was saved from the crucifixion and that another, Simon of Cyrene, was crucified in his place:

I wouldn't call them Christians. I'd call them deluded. Like the Bible says, if Jesus is not raised from the dead then they're dead in their sins.

 

[Spartan]

This has to be the most comical claim a believer can make.

Nope, yours was the real comical rant.

 

[Riders]

The crux of Christianity is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Without the resurrection, Christianity collapses. Here is a scholarly, well-researched series that includes evidence for, and objections, etc., against. Skeptics / atheists, etc., have all demanded evidence for the resurrection. Well here it is, in spades. Biblical and extra-biblical historical sources included. This is a 10 Part series - all links below.

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 1: Why it Matters
https://crossexamined.org/evidence-jesus-resurrection-part…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 2: How to do History
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 3: Fact (1) Jesus died by Crucifixion
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 4: Fact (2) The Empty Tomb
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 5: Fact (3) The Postmortem Appearances to the Disciples
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 6: Facts (4) and (5) The Postmortem Appearances to Paul and James
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 7: Reasoning to the Resurrection
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus Resurrection – Part 8: Some Unanswered Questions
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 9: Probabilities and Plagiarism
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

Evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection – Part 10: Conclusion
https://crossexamined.org/the-evidence-for-jesus-resurrect…/

The empty tomb would be the crux of all of it to me. Sense there is proof that other messiahs were left hanging on the cross and it was against the law for poor guys like Jesus to be burried in the tom and only rich powerful people had tombs that explains it all.

Furthermore why didn't they take Jesus body out and say here this is Jesus? Why would they give a crap about the Jesus movement, there were hundreds of others messiah movements going on claiming resurrection, they never tried to prove they were illigitimate why would they care about proving the Jesus movement wrong? There were hundreds of movements like the Jesus movement and other Messiahs dying on the cross for peoples sins, it never got in the way of the Roman government so why give a sh&t about the body of Jesus?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Riders]

We saw in the previous blog post that the historical evidence for Jesus’ death was overwhelming. Even several non-Christian scholars affirm it, and even say that it’s the one fact about Jesus that is indisputable.

If all the non Christian scholars claimed there was indisputable evidence Jesus was Messiah God crucified rose fromtrhe dead, they would all be believers. That is the most uninformed statement I have heard in a long time.

 

[Riders]

Has the corpse of Jesus been made known to you?

But hey - you want 1st century evidence carved in stone? Click on the link below. Photos included.

Jerusalem Burial Cave Reveals Names, Testimonies of First Christians

Your claiming a bunch of tombs coffins with names of first christians as proof? LMAO! The only thing that inetrested me was this statement
If you know the feeling of genuine excitement about the workings of the Lord, then you will be ecstatic to learn that archaeologists have found first-century dedications with the names Jesus, Matthias and "Simon Bar-Yonah" ("Peter son of Jonah") along with testimonials that bear direct witness to the Savior.

What testimonies? They were not there on the web sight and first century dedications to Jesus from Christians means nothing. I would expect as much.

 

[Skwim]

Sorry, Skwin, but the Gospels and New Testament were "extra-biblical" eyewitness accounts, etc., during the 1st and 2nd centuries. They were written by different people at different times in different places. That's independent confirmations. The New Testament wasn't compiled into the "Bible" until several centuries later.

Obviously you don't know what "extra-biblical" or "eyewitness" mean, but that's okay. Believe as you need.

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[danieldemol]

Has the corpse of Jesus been made known to you?

But hey - you want 1st century evidence carved in stone? Click on the link below. Photos included.

Jerusalem Burial Cave Reveals Names, Testimonies of First Christians

That’s certainly early evidence that there were people who believed in the resurrection, it is not evidence of a literal resurrection itself

 

[dybmh]

As if you've done your due-diligence. If you had you wouldn't be a non-believer.

Circular reasoning at it's finest...

 

[McBell]

Nope, yours was the real comical rant.

What is the post number where my "rant" can be found.

 

[Audie]

As if you've done your due-diligence. If you had you wouldn't be a non-believer.

A quip. Deep.

 

[Audie]

Circular reasoning at it's finest...

Our deep reasoner is outta his depth on his own thread.

 

[Audie]

What is the post number where my "rant" can be found.

That accusation showed that our friend is down to thrashing
around like a foul-hooked alligator trying to bite something,
anything. Maybe he will quit before making more of
a spevtacle of himself.

 

[Audie]

Its quite a yarn. There are bit and pieces of Paul (relics) all over the Christian world.

A shipwreck on Malta? Dalmatia? Cephalonia?

"It was determined that we should sail into Italy ... And entering into a ship of Adramyttium ... we came to Myra ... And there the centurion found a ship of Alexandria sailing into Italy ... they sailed close by Crete. But not long after there arose against it a tempestuous wind ... no small tempest lay on us ... But when the fourteenth night was come, as we were driven up and down in Adria ... And falling into a place where two seas met, they ran the ship aground; and the forepart stuck fast, and remained unmovable, but the hinder part was broken with the violence of the waves.

The centurion ... commanded that they which could swim should cast themselves first into the sea, and get to land. And the rest, some on boards, and some on broken pieces of the ship. And so it came to pass, that they escaped all safe to land."

– Acts 27-28.

The Curious Yarn of Paul's "Shipwreck"

Nobody is going to carry a snake around, thinking it is
a stick.

A viper-strike is no quick nobody would see it.. So god had to
magic this one to cling so it can be flapped about for
everyone to see.

But a "Believer" will believe anything.

 

[Spartan]

Your claiming a bunch of tombs coffins with names of first christians as proof? LMAO! The only thing that inetrested me was this statement
If you know the feeling of genuine excitement about the workings of the Lord, then you will be ecstatic to learn that archaeologists have found first-century dedications with the names Jesus, Matthias and "Simon Bar-Yonah" ("Peter son of Jonah") along with testimonials that bear direct witness to the Savior.

What testimonies? They were not there on the web sight and first century dedications to Jesus from Christians means nothing. I would expect as much.

The ossuaries article was intended as a comeback for those yo-yo's who claim there's no evidence for Jesus.

 

[Spartan]

The empty tomb would be the crux of all of it to me. Sense there is proof that other messiahs were left hanging on the cross and it was against the law for poor guys like Jesus to be burried in the tom and only rich powerful people had tombs that explains it all.

Furthermore why didn't they take Jesus body out and say here this is Jesus? Why would they give a crap about the Jesus movement, there were hundreds of others messiah movements going on claiming resurrection, they never tried to prove they were illigitimate why would they care about proving the Jesus movement wrong? There were hundreds of movements like the Jesus movement and other Messiahs dying on the cross for peoples sins, it never got in the way of the Roman government so why give a sh&t about the body of Jesus?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah, where's the body? And why would the chief priests bribe the guards at the tomb to falsely claim the disciples stole the body?

The tomb was empty because Jesus was resurrected. Postmortem appearances to numerous individuals, including skeptics like James and Thomas, and even Saul / Paul (Road to Damascus) are hard to ignore.

The number of people in the Gospels, etc., who have to be lying or crazy in order for you to continue to be a non-believer, frankly, is what's hard to fathom.

 

[Spartan]

That accusation showed that our friend is down to thrashing
around like a foul-hooked alligator trying to bite something,
anything. Maybe he will quit before making more of
a spevtacle of himself.

The spectacle is the sophomoric floundering of unbelievers such as yourselves who set new records for ignoring the truths and evidences for the historical Jesus. It's stunning.

 

[Spartan]

Obviously you don't know what "extra-biblical" or "eyewitness" mean, but that's okay. Believe as you need.
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Went right over your head again, lol.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I would think Satan would be more active in your life, since you strive to kick Christ to the curb.

So, this mythical Satan has far more power than your equally mythical Jesus.

Your Jesus could-- allegedly-- eliminate Atheism from Earth by the simple expedient of Showing Up At Least Once a Generation.

But that never -- ever happened -- not even once.

Satan is equally absent...

Hmmmm.... all we have .... is ... people like..... you.

IF God were Real? It would never need people such as you to carry it's "messages."

 

[Spartan]

So, this mythical Satan has far more power than your equally mythical Jesus.

Your Jesus could-- allegedly-- eliminate Atheism from Earth by the simple expedient of Showing Up At Least Once a Generation.

But that never -- ever happened -- not even once.

Satan is equally absent...

Hmmmm.... all we have .... is ... people like..... you.

IF God were Real? It would never need people such as you to carry it's "messages."

All that evidence in the OP and you're still in unbelief. That's remarkable.

By the way, your blurb:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

FYI, God puts an end to evil in the Book of Revelation. You should mention that little tidbit next time you put that out as something people should be impressed with.

 

[Audie]

The spectacle is the sophomoric floundering of unbelievers such as yourselves who set new records for ignoring the truths and evidences for the historical Jesus. It's stunning.

"I am rubber and you are glue" is pre-sophmore by a dozen years
or so.

I have not "ignored"; you just made that up. I find it sketchy
thin and unverifiable in most details.

Anyone, btw, who can ignore the disproof of noahs ark
is far too childish, to say the least, to be taken seriously
as a, ah, "due diligence" sort.

Of course, that topic has a huge body of rock solid data that
anyone can go see, test. Best to avoid that, for lo, the
thin brittle comstruct that holds you marvy book together
will shatter like a 'tater chip.