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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

gnostic

The Lost One
Joseph Campbell has in my view credibly demonstrated that .Myths. have an underlying true event. We should not get fixed on herbivores and the like. The biblical narrative is consistent with a local flood. That resolves most of such issues.

if it was local flood, then there would be no needs to spend a hundred years to build the Ark.

And if Noah was a prophet, wouldn’t it be far more convenient to move his family to a safe location away from the Flood, than to waste time building the Ark?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
True.

But it's symbolic meaning had truth value. It is not true in the same degree that something like "Abraham Lincoln was shot by John Wilkes Boothe". And it's not true for everyone. But you can learn lessons from all these religions. It doesn't make their lies true.
What ttuth in what meaning?

IF there is some truth in such a lie,
it's an extremely ill considered way to
convey some " truth", with imo far more
confusion and harm from it than any posdible
good. The " lessons" of good that Christians cite
dont come to more than " reward for good, prnish
for bad". Like any of us dont know that without having to
believe a stupid obviously untrue story.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
if it was local flood, then there would be no needs to spend a hundred years to build the Ark.

And if Noah was a prophet, wouldn’t it be far more convenient to move his family to a safe location away from the Flood, than to waste time building the Ark?
Nothing except "water" is congruent with
any possible history.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Its just a story. None of it is true.
Well there was a large flood in the Tigris Euphrates valley system that could have been the inspiration for the Flood. But it would not have been a year long on the boat. The boat would have had only a few farm animals on it. The entire population of the Earth was not reduced to only eight people. In fact that flood was so minor in that aspect that it does not even make a blip as a population bottleneck in our genome. There was just a flood that was big enough so that if a boat was in the middle of it the occupants would only see water due to the curvature of the Earth. But again, that is a wide broad region of very low relief. It would only take a flood tens of miles wide to do that. Tens of miles is not much on a global scale.

And other flood myths around the world would likely have other local floods that inspired them. People need to live on navigable water sources to have the seeds of civilization. Those tend to flood at times. Stories grow with the telling and we have our worldwide flood myths. Please note that I emphasized the plural. Just as different religions have different creation myths.
 

ChieftheCef

Active Member
if it was local flood, then there would be no needs to spend a hundred years to build the Ark.

And if Noah was a prophet, wouldn’t it be far more convenient to move his family to a safe location away from the Flood, than to waste time building the Ark?
Wouldn't Jesus's error, that fun is indeed necessary, show you that it's just writings by men?
 
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Well there was a large flood in the Tigris Euphrates valley system that could have been the inspiration for the Flood. But it would not have been a year long on the boat. The boat would have had only a few farm animals on it. The entire population of the Earth was not reduced to only eight people. In fact that flood was so minor in that aspect that it does not even make a blip as a population bottleneck in our genome. There was just a flood that was big enough so that if a boat was in the middle of it the occupants would only see water due to the curvature of the Earth. But again, that is a wide broad region of very low relief. It would only take a flood tens of miles wide to do that. Tens of miles is not much on a global scale.

And other flood myths around the world would likely have other local floods that inspired them. People need to live on navigable water sources to have the seeds of civilization. Those tend to flood at times. Stories grow with the telling and we have our worldwide flood myths. Please note that I emphasized the plural. Just as different religions have different creation myths.
Similar events beget different responses. The importance of noahs local flood lies in the response of table of nations.
 

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
if it was local flood, then there would be no needs to spend a hundred years to build the Ark.

And if Noah was a prophet, wouldn’t it be far more convenient to move his family to a safe location away from the Flood, than to waste time building the Ark?
These are random events. Not pre ordained. Noah could not be moved. And there was no 100 year ark.
 

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
True.

But it's symbolic meaning had truth value. It is not true in the same degree that something like "Abraham Lincoln was shot by John Wilkes Boothe". And it's not true for everyone. But you can learn lessons from all these religions. It doesn't make their lies true.
Why was it not true?
 

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
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No one said that they were. But the flood of Noah appears to be just as fictitious as the other flood myths.
It is easy to mythisize what is inconvenient. The local flood are same and not same. That is not the point. The similar floods beget different responses from the participants. Noahs descendants made a valiant response to that local flood. Thus it is remembered. No need to call it a myth.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is easy to mythisize what is inconvenient. The local flood are same and not same. That is not the point. The similar floods beget different responses from the participants. Noahs descendants made a valiant response to that local flood. Thus it is remembered. No need to call it a myth.
Nope, there is no evidence of Noah, or his family. If the story occurred at all it was vastly different from the myth in the Bible. Calling it a myth is correct.

If you want to claim that it is legend and not myth then you need to prove the existence of Noah and his family.
 
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