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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Unsaved people cannot under the word of God nor the gospel of Christ.
Think you meant "cannot understand" friend. What is it that you are having trouble understanding ? what is it that which is blocking your salvation ?

Those believing in salvation by lord Martin do indeed seem to have trouble understanding the Gospel of Christ .. in particular "The Will of the Father" as per Lord Jesus Matt 7:21 "21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Lord Jesus says "Only the one who does the will of the Father" - Do you understand what this means friend ?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is what the word of God says.
Go read it in the word of God.
I have never seen a book that is the "word of God". I do not think that such a book exists, unless you are talking about something in fiction section of book stores.

Meanwhile you seem to believe a book of myths with a flood that is refuted by this one simple picture:

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Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
In my case for about 35 years teaching at both a church and a synagogue. However, I don't brag about either.

I have more than 30 years too, which included studying the Bible daily and extensively studying Christian theology, as well as teaching the Bible in church ministries, as a street preacher, and as an evangelism leader. The irony in my case is that I essentially studied my way out of believing in God and the Bible.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sure does.

2 Tim 3:16-17 and 2 Peter 1:21
Hmm. Let's see:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I do not see the Bible there. I only see a vague reference to "scripture". You would have to prove that the Bible is this undefined scripture.

How about the other one:

" For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Oh my, that is even worse than the other one.

Thank you for confirming my claim. Do you have any other verses where the Bible does not claim to be the word of God?
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
That is just your opinion and like all of your claims you cannot properly support it. In fact as usual you run away when shown to be wrong.

And this or that Christian has this or that personal perspective on the Bible, and yet their preferred biblical interpretations differ from each other and contradict one another. The fact is that Christians are vastly divided on how to accurately interpret the Bible, but they all apparently believe that their preferred interpretation is the solely correct one and will often insist that other Christians who interpret the Bible differently are wrong in their beliefs.

As I was saying yesterday in another thread...

I think it's also worth noting that Christians don't agree on whether salvation in Jesus is unconditional or not, although they all read the Bible. They believe diverse biblical interpretations and church doctrines about salvation, which is defined as Calvinism vs. Arminianism (unconditional salvation vs. conditional salvation). Some Christians claim that salvation is conditional, and they will quote a few scriptures they believe support their belief. Other Christians claim that salvation is unconditional (OSAS), and they quote a few scriptures they believe support their belief. Yet other Christians claim that speaking in tongues or baptism is required for salvation, and they also quote a few scriptures they believe support their belief. It's ironic that they all claim the Holy Spirit gave them "spiritual discernment" to properly understand the Bible, but it's obvious that they all contradict each other. They all cite the Bible in an attempt to defend their answers, even though their answers are very different and contradictory. They also believe that they are correct about their preferred beliefs and everyone else (including other Christians) is wrong about theirs, but they have the audacity to claim that the Bible is the word of God and Christianity is the only true religion in the world. In my opinion, there's no reason to believe them. It seems unreasonable to me for any Christian to assert that their preferred biblical interpretation and theology are correct while simultaneously claiming that other Christians are wrong, that their God divinely inspired the Bible, and that Christianity is the only true religion and is superior to all other religions. I think it's also unreasonable for them to expect non-Christians to accept the Bible as the final authority on moral issues and as divinely inspired by their God, yet they cannot agree on what the Bible actually teaches.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
And this or that Christian has this or that personal perspective on the Bible, and yet their preferred biblical interpretations differ from each other and contradict one another. The fact is that Christians are vastly divided on how to accurately interpret the Bible, but they all apparently believe that their preferred interpretation is the solely correct one and will often insist that other Christians who interpret the Bible differently are wrong in their beliefs.

As I was saying yesterday in another thread...

I think it's also worth noting that Christians don't agree on whether salvation in Jesus is unconditional or not, although they all read the Bible. They believe diverse biblical interpretations and church doctrines about salvation, which is defined as Calvinism vs. Arminianism (unconditional salvation vs. conditional salvation). Some Christians claim that salvation is conditional, and they will quote a few scriptures they believe support their belief. Other Christians claim that salvation is unconditional (OSAS), and they quote a few scriptures they believe support their belief. Yet other Christians claim that speaking in tongues or baptism is required for salvation, and they also quote a few scriptures they believe support their belief. It's ironic that they all claim the Holy Spirit gave them "spiritual discernment" to properly understand the Bible, but it's obvious that they all contradict each other. They all cite the Bible in an attempt to defend their answers, even though their answers are very different and contradictory. They also believe that they are correct about their preferred beliefs and everyone else (including other Christians) is wrong about theirs, but they have the audacity to claim that the Bible is the word of God and Christianity is the only true religion in the world. In my opinion, there's no reason to believe them. It seems unreasonable to me for any Christian to assert that their preferred biblical interpretation and theology are correct while simultaneously claiming that other Christians are wrong, that their God divinely inspired the Bible, and that Christianity is the only true religion and is superior to all other religions. I think it's also unreasonable for them to expect non-Christians to accept the Bible as the final authority on moral issues and as divinely inspired by their God, yet they cannot agree on what the Bible actually teaches.
Well only one can be truth and the rest are not.
But this falling away by most Christian denominations was predicted in the Bible and so proves the Bible is the word of God
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Well only one can be truth and the rest are not.
But this falling away by most Christian denominations was predicted in the Bible and so proves the Bible is the word of God

In your opinion, of course. I know you believe it based on your preferred beliefs, but other Christians disagree with you. Naturally, you have the same right to your preferred beliefs as other Christians. As for me, I don't see any reason to believe any of you, and I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
In your opinion, of course. I know you believe it based on your preferred beliefs, but other Christians disagree with you. Naturally, you have the same right to your preferred beliefs as other Christians. As for me, I don't see any reason to believe any of you, and I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
It does not matter what a person says.
The only thing that matters is what the word of God clearly says.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have more than 30 years too, which included studying the Bible daily and extensively studying Christian theology, as well as teaching the Bible in church ministries, as a street preacher, and as an evangelism leader. The irony in my case is that I essentially studied my way out of believing in God and the Bible.
Familiar with Baruch Spinoza? I may have asked you this before, no?
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member

So you should consider the possibility that your interpretation is flawed ... Do you think Sataniel is going to show up breathing fire with horns and a red cape ? The vast majority of Christians do not accept Sola Fide - those you classify as "Unbelievers" ?! - Maybe it is the "Saved by Lord Martin" crowd that has it wrong .. and there is no such thing as a free pass through judgement !?

Now go learn chess notation .. the first step on path to enlightenment !
 
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