Subduction Zone
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Check the article, or rather don't if you want to save time. PRATT city. Nothing new there.
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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD
- Thread starter Little Nipper
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Isn't evolution about adaptation?Where did the OP go? The article loses on its first claim. It is not scientific, it is just an empty ignorant claim that ignores how mountains are made.
But since the OP is not here let me deal with fossil shells high up on mountains. Yes, we do observe that. Is it evidence for a flood? Not at all since they never made a testable hypothesis. But lets see what a testable hypothesis would look like.
If there was a global flood as in the Bible that would kill almost all sea life. Perhaps the larval stages of corals, mollusks etc. could survive. but the adult forms would have been killed by the changing salinity of sea water. Ask anyone that has a salt tank what happens to their pets if the salinity varies greatly. So we have a layer of dead sea life. And I suppose that some of it could be piled up on mountains, but one would need to explain how. Letting all of go what would we see? Well, at any one time there are not all that many clams, mussels, fish, or corals living. And the Earth was only a two or three thousand years old according to the myth. That does not give much time for the accumulation for much in the way of shells. So we might have a foot or two, heck call it three feet or even ten feet of shells built up by then, but that would be a huge exaggeration. What would we see Well we might have a few feet of shells that somehow survived extremely rough seas. What do we see instead. We see layers of limestone, sometimes thousands of feet thick when we add up all of the strata. Not just on mountains, but all around the world. Sorry, but the observations do not match the hypothesis. That claim is busted.
All that article is is a long list of PRATT's. If you are unfamiliar with that term it is an acronym. The letters stand for Points Refuted A Thousand Times.
If you want to find evidence for the flood you need to work a lot harder. Meanwhile here is a picture that drives Flood believers nuts. It is easy to explain with standard geology. It cannot be explained by relying on a worldwide Flood:
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It is better if you go to the site. Left click on the image once. Then click on it again:
File:2009-08-20-01800 USA Utah 316 Goosenecks SP.jpg - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Wow! You can now click on it three times. But that is too much.
Subduction Zone
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What does evolution have to do with this thread? Adaptation is part of it, but that is usually misunderstood by creationists.
The OP was supposed to provide evidence for the Flood of Noah. But he only presented a bogus article from a pseudoscience site and has not been heard from since then.
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The difference in salinity of water?
exchemist
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What a farce. Answers in Genesis is an idiotically bad source for science. It is packed with falsehoods and deliberate misrepresentations. Its credibility is zero.
rocala
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Ouch - you certainly walked into that one. If there is one thing that RF teaches people, and teaches well, it is if you want to post on scientific matters, make sure you know what you are talking about.
Audie
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Any amount is better than a negative number.
Anyway, nobody has bothered to do much
V regurgitated nonsense.
ChieftheCef
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Try to go about seeing what's true before declaring what's true. It's how you find the truth.
Audie
Veteran Member
Now THERE is advice far better taken than given.
ChieftheCef
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The omnigod IS. The monotheist god happens to be. The God? Might be, but they don't go against nature like the other two do.
ChieftheCef
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Wasn't that clear and concise? Surprised me hahaha
ChieftheCef
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They might say that since goodness is the norm, which is true, that gods off the hook. But I define the monotheist god as the spirit of Zarathustra, the aummations of "his" texts, doctrines, orders, followers actions, beliefs that sort of thing. So because of the atrocities of writers and humans alike god is evil.
ChieftheCef
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It's all symbolic. Not true.
Audie
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Subduction Zone
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Nope. Not even close. That is not evolution.
You could try it yourself. But some a tank and equipment for saltwater fish. Get everything well stabilized and then properly introduce fish. Once everything is running fine try dropping the salinity in half and see what happens.
By the way, I was trying to get as many fossils as possible by changing the salinity. It would still not be enough to support the myth. Or didn't you see that instead of strawmanning the idea that I steelmanned it. Just in case when one steelmans an idea it is the opposite of using a strawman fallacy. You assume the claims of your opponent are true and try to use the best assumptions possible for them. If the idea still fails, and the Flood ALWAYS fails, then one can be sure that it did not happen.
Surely you do not believe that fairy tale.
Subduction Zone
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Well they have gotten a little bit better, maybe? I am not sure. They used to be so proud of their open declaration that their workers were not allowed to use the scientific method. They would bold post their "Statement of faith". I am pretty sure that you are familiar with it. It is when they have to be willing to declare ahead of time that the Bible is right now matter what. One does not get to to that in the sciences. One cannot say that "Darwin was right, no matter what!!" and be able to claim to be doing science. Or "Einstein is right, no matter what!!". But AiG proudly did that with their Bible beliefs. Now you have to dig a bit. But workers are still required to affirm that Ken Ham's interpretation of the Bible is right no matter what.
So is it better to have that demand out in the open, or to have it hid a bit due to perhaps shame?
There are flood stories from many cultures with wildly different narratives. I have no reason to pay particular attention to one of many stories. For example even if I were to accept 100% that a global flood occurred, I could attribute it to Wisagatck and the Great Beaver and not to the Bible version.
Cree flood myth
Wisagatcak the Trickster built a dam across a stream in an attempt to capture the Great Beaver as it left its lodge. He waited all day until finally, at dusk, the huge creature swam toward him. Now, the Great Beaver possesses powerful magic and, as Wisagatcak prepared to spear it, created a spell that caused a muskrat to bite Wisagatcak in the behind, making him miss the target. Though spared, the Great Beaver was angry and wanted revenge.
The next morning Wisagatcak was dumfounded. After being bitten, he had dismantled his dam, but the water level had not gone down even though the stream was now flowing freely through the spot where the dam had been. Even more strange-the water level continued to rise higher and higher. The Great Beaver had worked powerful magic indeed; the entire world was flooding. For two weeks, the Great Beaver and the little beavers kept busy making all the waters of earth to rise until not one spot of dry land could be found. In great haste, Wisagatcak built a raft of logs and took many animals aboard with him.
The water continued to rise for yet another two weeks. At the end of the two weeks, the muskrat left the raft to search for land, but even the muskrat, who is accustomed to living between earth and water drowned. Then a raven left the raft. He flew around the entire world, but found no land, only water. Then Wisagatcak made his own magic with the help of a wolf on his raft.
During the next two weeks on the raft, moss grew all over its surface. The wolf ran around and around on the raft, causing the moss to hecome magically expanding earth, until the raft was a vast land mass. However, to this very day, water springs up through holes in the ground -cracks in that original raft.
Cree flood myth
Wisagatcak the Trickster built a dam across a stream in an attempt to capture the Great Beaver as it left its lodge. He waited all day until finally, at dusk, the huge creature swam toward him. Now, the Great Beaver possesses powerful magic and, as Wisagatcak prepared to spear it, created a spell that caused a muskrat to bite Wisagatcak in the behind, making him miss the target. Though spared, the Great Beaver was angry and wanted revenge.
The next morning Wisagatcak was dumfounded. After being bitten, he had dismantled his dam, but the water level had not gone down even though the stream was now flowing freely through the spot where the dam had been. Even more strange-the water level continued to rise higher and higher. The Great Beaver had worked powerful magic indeed; the entire world was flooding. For two weeks, the Great Beaver and the little beavers kept busy making all the waters of earth to rise until not one spot of dry land could be found. In great haste, Wisagatcak built a raft of logs and took many animals aboard with him.
The water continued to rise for yet another two weeks. At the end of the two weeks, the muskrat left the raft to search for land, but even the muskrat, who is accustomed to living between earth and water drowned. Then a raven left the raft. He flew around the entire world, but found no land, only water. Then Wisagatcak made his own magic with the help of a wolf on his raft.
During the next two weeks on the raft, moss grew all over its surface. The wolf ran around and around on the raft, causing the moss to hecome magically expanding earth, until the raft was a vast land mass. However, to this very day, water springs up through holes in the ground -cracks in that original raft.