In general I have no problem with someone who has a belief such as Noah's flood as long as they don't try to use scientific words without scientific proof. There are of course dangerous beliefs of all sorts but that's not the OP topic.
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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD
- Thread starter Little Nipper
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Subduction Zone
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The problem is that the OP said that they were going to give evidence to show that the Noah's Ark myth actually happened. This would be a scientific debate so scientific evidence is needed. AiG tells us outright that their workers are not allowed to use the scientific method. Their work is pure pseudoscience and they quite often either openly lie or have the education level of a ninth grader. It is not a valid source.
Good grief, I learned about "meandering" rivers way back in 1963, in Grade 10!
Holy wowzers, Batman!! That's the first time I've ever bothered to read that. What a bedpan full!AiG is getting better at hiding the fact that they do not allow their workers to use the scientific method but it is still there. They still have their "Statement of faith":
Statement of Faith
answersingenesis.org
Subduction Zone
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Not just a meander an incised or embedded meander. The meander has to form first. And then a secondary event occurs. Any guesses?
Wandering Monk
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In the debate between Ken Hamm and Bill Nye on evolution, each was asked if there was anything that would change their mind on the topic. Ken Hamm said No, that the Bible was the infallible word of God.
Bill Nye simply answered 'Evidence!.'
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When the river base is reduced enough to power vertical, rather than just horizontal, erosion. In fact, the horizontal erosion essentially stops and erosion of bedrock is occurring.
Little Nipper
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But what the Smithsonian has to say is more scientific? Evidence for a Flood
Little Nipper
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And this doesn't sound just as scientific?
Old news, It may have been the source of the wild biblical claims greatly exaggerated to make the Abrahamic god look like a genocidal maniac but certainly not a world flood to cover the highest mountain.
Heyo
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Does the publication date ring a bell or raise a flag?
Little Nipper
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When was Darwin's Decent of Man written?
Little Nipper
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Can you be sure of how high the highest mountains were 5 thousand years ago? It would seem that GOD saved humanity when it was about to destroy itself. Genesis 6:11-12 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
Actually yes. Everest was about 66 feet less than it is today.
Saved by killing everyone and every living/breathing animal except a close friend, the friends family and around 20 million animals including 7 blue whales (yes whale meat is food) by using around 80 times more water than has ever existed on earth. It would seem god is a genicidal maniac of multiple species.
Actually, no it doesn't. She makes quite a few errors that even a person without modest science knowledge can spot immediately. The eruption of Mount St. Helens was a pretty major event, and certainly one can expect some major geological changes to happen as a result (there have been much larger such events, including Krakatoa). But to take one of those, and then try to scale it up by a factor of 40 and say, "see how this compares to the Grand Canyon?!?" Well, no, it doesn't. The scale is only one thing -- there is no reason that a "world-wide" event would leave only one such marker, and only in Arizona -- and Arizona is really only mildly tectonically active. If the flood were a world-wide event, such markers should be all over the world. They're not. That's why the Grand Canyon is considered special, and why Americans want to go and wonder at it.
There is more, but I'm not going to go through it all here.
Subduction Zone
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That is just a large local flood. There have been many different large local floods, but none of them would have been anything like the mythical flood of Noah. And though that was a large flood, the Black Sea already existed at that time. It was just smaller. Anything directly in the path of the stream was affected, but that was a very limited area. The Black Sea itself slowly expanded, but at a rate that a person could have crawled away from. It is not the flood that you are looking for.
exchemist
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Sure. There is some evidence for the Black Sea flooding, though it is contested. Nobody says large scale floods never occur. In fact, the putative flooding of the Black Sea is one tentative hypothesis for where the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible both got their stories from. But that would be a localised, if large, flood event, not the global event absurdly proposed by some YECs.
This article shows both sides of the story: Black Sea deluge hypothesis - Wikipedia
Another hypothesis is that the Persian Gulf would have progressively flooded as the sea level rose after the last ice age, gradually displacing people from the river that we now call Shatt-Al-Arab, i.e. the merged river formed by the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates, and this traumatic event became embedded in folklore, leading to a Middle Eastern flood story.
Subduction Zone
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No, not at all. And is highly misleading. That river valley is nothing at all like the Grand Canyon. You will notice that they give very limited views of the river itself. Do you want to see what the North Fork of the Toutle River looks like from above?
Here is another shot, closer to Mt. St. Helens:
The bottom of that river is nothing like the Grand Canyon. You see a braided river valley. The Grand Canyon has meanders, they are not formed in the same way at all.
Subduction Zone
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This is still my favorite flood that probably inspired the myth:
Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education
Introduction The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth.
Right general neighborhood. And large enough so that someone caught in the middle of it might think that the whole Earth was covered. If you cover a large flat area with enough water it does not take a lot to make it so that the horizon is water all around.
I don't know why rationally - people believe in a global flood on basis of scripture. The words in the Bible can be reference to the land Nuh (a) was sent to. Seems to be a translation issue and misunderstanding. For example, in Arabic, al-arth can be referring "the land" or sometimes "the earth" as in "all the land". It depends on context. Do people really believe Noah (a) went all around the earth to every part of the land and warned everyone all over the earth?
I would imagine he didn't have much time to travel after warning his people so that is why he built a ship. And to save the local species. That's another thing, if it was global flood, there is no way all species of plants and animals are going to fit.
I would imagine he didn't have much time to travel after warning his people so that is why he built a ship. And to save the local species. That's another thing, if it was global flood, there is no way all species of plants and animals are going to fit.