Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[SavedByTheLord]

If you believe the world wide flood is a historic event, care to answer the question I asked on post #912? Everybody seemed to ignore it; here it is again to save you the trouble of looking it up

If water covered the entire earth,
*was it salt water? Or fresh water. If salt water, how did the fresh water life survive, and how did fresh and salt water separate themselves after the flood reminded?
*If all the animals that survived the flood were on the boat, what did they eat? According to the bible they were on the boat for at least 100 days; during which time food for the animals would have spoiled due to no refrigeration.
*According to the bible, the Ark landed somewhere in Middle East Asia. So how did all of those Kangaroos and Kola Bears get to Australia without leaving a trail?
*Any Engineer will tell you it is impossible to build a boat 500 feet long (the recorded length of the Ark) made strictly out of wood without any steel reinforcements. Since steel wasn’t invented back then, how did they do what is impossible to be done today?
*It is estimated that it would take 5 times the amount of water currently on Earth to cover every mountain. Sooooo; where did all of that water go?

What makes you think that that there was not enough food on the ark?
They did build one already
God divided the land after He dispersed the animals after the flood.
And God made lower the lower parts of the oceans and raised up the mountains.
The mountains were lower before the flood.
as to salt water vs fresh water fish, the oceans were not salty before and only mildly so during the flood and after.
The freshwater fish were carried away into fresh water bodies,
With God all things are possible, with time not so.

 

[F1fan]

What makes you think that that there was not enough food on the ark?
They did build one already
God divided the land after He dispersed the animals after the flood.
And God made lower the lower parts of the oceans and raised up the mountains.
The mountains were lower before the flood.
as to salt water vs fresh water fish, the oceans were not salty before and only mildly so during the flood and after.
The freshwater fish were carried away into fresh water bodies,
With God all things are possible, with time not so.

Genetics already proved there is no genetic bottleneck going back 5000 years or so. So the flood myth is demonstrably false. On top of that no boat could have been built to the size assumed in the story, so that is impossible. And there is no global layer of debris that would be evident for a global flood, so that tells us it didn't happen.

All the things needed for this myth to be true are not in evidence, so we throw out the claims that it happened. I suggest lerning how to interpret your Bible symbolically instead of literally.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Genetics already proved there is no genetic bottleneck going back 5000 years or so. So the flood myth is demonstrably false. On top of that no boat could have been built to the size assumed in the story, so that is impossible. And there is no global layer of debris that would be evident for a global flood, so that tells us it didn't happen.

All the things needed for this myth to be true are not in evidence, so we throw out the claims that it happened. I suggest lerning how to interpret your Bible symbolically instead of literally.

Actually Toba's eruption did make a bottleneck, but evolutionists always get the dates wrong.

 

[F1fan]

Actually Toba's eruption did make a bottleneck, but evolutionists always get the dates wrong.

The genetics is established and confirmed. You can't dispute the science and facts. There was no flood. The reason you feel distress is because your flawed interpretation of the Bible. Who told you to interpret the Bible this way?

 

[Kfox]

Thank

FYI, I do not think that @John53 believes in the mythical flood.

Thank-you

 

[Kfox]

What makes you think that that there was not enough food on the ark?

The question was; what kept it from spoiling?

They did build one already

But it is impossible to build a vessel of that size strictly out of wood that will float; even with todays modern pressure treated wood.

God divided the land after He dispersed the animals after the flood.

So you’re saying prior to and shortly after the flood, there was just one big land mass island?

as to salt water vs fresh water fish, the oceans were not salty before and only mildly so during the flood and after.

So what made the water as salty as today?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

The question was; what kept it from spoiling?

But it is impossible to build a vessel of that size strictly out of wood that will float; even with todays modern pressure treated wood.

So you’re saying prior to and shortly after the flood, there was just one big land mass island?

So what made the water as salty as today?

it was kept from spoiling as they always did many years ago Before refrigeration and supermarkets.
They already built an ark that size.
The oceans were not as salty as they are today, but runoff after the flood and over the centuries since have made them salty like today.

BTW, there is not enough salt in the oceans for them to be 100s of millions of years old

 

[Subduction Zone]

What makes you think that that there was not enough food on the ark?
They did build one already
God divided the land after He dispersed the animals after the flood.
And God made lower the lower parts of the oceans and raised up the mountains.
The mountains were lower before the flood.
as to salt water vs fresh water fish, the oceans were not salty before and only mildly so during the flood and after.
The freshwater fish were carried away into fresh water bodies,
With God all things are possible, with time not so.

So are you just going to claim "magic" every time that you run into a problem? Sorry, but now you are claiming that God is incredibly evil because if he had this much magic he could have just killed all of the bad people and left the good people to live. No need for any magic boat.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

So are you just going to claim "magic" every time that you run into a problem? Sorry, but now you are claiming that God is incredibly evil because if he had this much magic he could have just killed all of the bad people and left the good people to live. No need for any magic boat.

with God all things are possible. With lots of time not always.

 

[Subduction Zone]

it was kept from spoiling as they always did many years ago Before refrigeration and supermarkets.
They already built an ark that size.
The oceans were not as salty as they are today, but runoff after the flood and over the centuries since have made them salty like today.

BTW, there is not enough salt in the oceans for them to be 100s of millions of years old

No, the oceans are "not salty enough". You are relying on idiots for your claims again. Just as there are reactions that can put salt into the water, there are reactions that take it out. Not only that, but if you try to use that oversimplified "salt clock" There are salts that tell us that the Earth is only a few hundred years old. There is not enough aluminum in the ocean for the Earth to be thousands of years old.

 

[Subduction Zone]

with God all things are possible. With lots of time not always.

That is not an answer. That was a dodge. Which amounts to you admitting that you were wrong, again.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No, the oceans are "not salty enough". You are relying on idiots for your claims again. Just as there are reactions that can put salt into the water, there are reactions that take it out. Not only that, but if you try to use that oversimplified "salt clock" There are salts that tell us that the Earth is only a few hundred years old. There is not enough aluminum in the ocean for the Earth to be thousands of years old.

Sorry all that was taken into account.
The oceans have too little salt to be that old, proving the Bible true and you wrong again.
If they were older they would be saltier than they are but they are not salTy enough.
You jumped into truth denying mode right away and just proved yourself wrong.

 

[Kfox]

it was kept from spoiling as they always did many years ago Before refrigeration and supermarkets.

How were vegetables kept from spoiling during that time before refrigeration?

They already built an ark that size.

Arks and boats built that size today have steel reinforcements. Steel didn't exist back then, so it would have been impossible for them

 

[Kfox]

The freshwater fish were carried away into fresh water bodies,
With God all things are possible, with time not so.

On post #938, didn't you elude to the idea that the flood was supported by science and reason? What scientific evidence supports the idea that fish were carried this way?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry all that was taken into account.
The oceans have too little salt to be that old, proving the Bible true and you wrong again.
If they were older they would be saltier than they are but they are not salTy enough.
You jumped into truth denying mode right away and just proved yourself wrong.

Prove it. I know that they did not do so. You used a source written for the uneducated.

The problem is that even you know that none of your sources are scientific. You know that you do not have any evidence.

 

[John53]

On post #912 I asked a question; everybody seemed to ignore. Perhaps you can provide a response. Here it is again;

If water covered the entire earth,
*was it salt water? Or fresh water. If salt water, how did the fresh water life survive, and how did fresh and salt water separate themselves after the flood reminded?
*If all the animals that survived the flood were on the boat, what did they eat? According to the bible they were on the boat for at least 100 days; during which time food for the animals would have spoiled due to no refrigeration.
*According to the bible, the Ark landed somewhere in Middle East Asia. So how did all of those Kangaroos and Kola Bears get to Australia without leaving a trail?
*Any Engineer will tell you it is impossible to build a boat 500 feet long (the recorded length of the Ark) made strictly out of wood without any steel reinforcements. Since steel wasn’t invented back then, how did they do what is impossible to be done today?
*It is estimated that it would take 5 times the amount of water currently on Earth to cover every mountain. Sooooo; where did all of that water go?

I don't know, it's an impossible story. The standard answer for questions like those is magic or ignore them until the question asker gives up asking. It's also common to act superior and throw in a few threats of eternal torture.

 

[F1fan]

Sorry all that was taken into account.
The oceans have too little salt to be that old, proving the Bible true and you wrong again.
If they were older they would be saltier than they are but they are not salTy enough.
You jumped into truth denying mode right away and just proved yourself wrong.

If you are going to make claims about nature you need to get science right. The Bible is irrelevant.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

No argument from me about that but I fail to see how that helps your claim that well preserved megafauna in the permafrost is evidence of the flood.

My purpose in making that comment…..
“I have no doubt some areas of ice would have existed for eons prior to the event”
…..wasn’t to support that particular claim.


So, you don’t think the rain falling in the northern latitudes would have turned into snow & sleet?

Again, interesting.

It does now…why wouldn’t it then? I guess you want the Bible to tell you every facet?

You said earlier the account doesn’t have to explain everything … but now, you want it to?

The account never tells us that Noah relieved himself, either. Do you think that he never did, then?

I mean, we can get ridiculous here!

Doesn’t Genesis already establish that the Deluge was a divinely controlled event? Yes.
So we can’t always find evidence we think we would expect to see (thru natural forces), but we can look for evidence that resulted from its aftermath.
And we find much, as I’ve already laid out.

Have a good one.

 

[John53]

My purpose in making that comment…..
“I have no doubt some areas of ice would have existed for eons prior to the event”
…..wasn’t to support that claim.


So, you don’t think the rain falling in the northern latitudes would have turned into snow & sleet?

Again, interesting.

It does now…why wouldn’t it then? I guess you want the Bible to tell you every facet?

You said the account didn’t have to… but now, you want it to?

The account never tells us that Noah relieved himself, either. Maybe he never did, then?

I answered that. If it was falling the volume required to cover the tallest mountain is the problem, the weight would crush animals not preserve them. And I've never heard of a snow or ice flood. The bible is pretty specific in saying it was water and where it came from.

However I am interested in hearing how preserved megafauna in the permafrost is evidence for the flood.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If it was falling the volume required to cover the tallest mountain….

Oh, brother! Why are you ignoring what I’ve posted, specifically on Psalm 104:8,9?
I’m not going over it again.

However I am interested in hearing how preserved megafauna in the permafrost is evidence for the flood.

Covered it.
It was the Flood that created the Permafrost, encasing the animals we find within it.

In some areas, the fresh water Permafrost is over 1500 meters deep.