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Evidence That Jesus Is God

BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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THE Art Vandelay said:
The Bible NEVER, in any way, shape, or form remotely implies or states that Jesus is God. What it states is that Jesus is the created Son of God (Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14). What it states is that Jesus always openly acknowledged his lesser position in relation to his God, the God that Jesus and his disciples all worshiped. "The father is greater than I am", he said. John chapter 17 is an entire prayer from Jesus to God. God's own voice spoke from heaven on 3 occasions expressing his own approval for his Son, including on the occasion of Jesus' baptism. How absurd to think that Jesus was approving of himself.

Matthew 16:16 shows that Jesus' own closest followers, his apostles all acknowledged that Jesus wasn't God, but the Son of God. Revelation 1:1 shows the chain of custody (so to speak) of the revelation that was given to the apostle John, and it began with God who gave it to Jesus.......showing the separateness between God and Jesus.

The Bible's use of the term "Almighty God" has never been applies to Jesus, but to God alone. Jesus always acknowledged that the things he taught and preached were not from him, but from the one who sent him. Jesus never claimed deity, nor was he ever worshiped in scripture.
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In Isaiah 9, for one of many examples, the Messiah is counselor, prince, eternal and ALMIGHTY GOD. You keep misstating the facts of the scriptures.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
THE Art Vandelay said:
The Bible NEVER, in any way, shape, or form remotely implies or states that Jesus is God. What it states is that Jesus is the created Son of God (Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14). What it states is that Jesus always openly acknowledged his lesser position in relation to his God, the God that Jesus and his disciples all worshiped. "The father is greater than I am", he said. John chapter 17 is an entire prayer from Jesus to God. God's own voice spoke from heaven on 3 occasions expressing his own approval for his Son, including on the occasion of Jesus' baptism. How absurd to think that Jesus was approving of himself.

Matthew 16:16 shows that Jesus' own closest followers, his apostles all acknowledged that Jesus wasn't God, but the Son of God. Revelation 1:1 shows the chain of custody (so to speak) of the revelation that was given to the apostle John, and it began with God who gave it to Jesus.......showing the separateness between God and Jesus.

The Bible's use of the term "Almighty God" has never been applies to Jesus, but to God alone. Jesus always acknowledged that the things he taught and preached were not from him, but from the one who sent him. Jesus never claimed deity, nor was he ever worshiped in scripture.
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Indisputable proof that God is Triune and that Jesus, himself, is God.
  • Acts 2:24 = "But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.
  • John 10:18 = "“No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
  • Romans 8:11 = "The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. If the same Holy Spirit lives in you, He will give life to your bodies in the same way."
God's word never contradicts itself.

The Father is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.

But all are God. Hence the use of all three Persons responsible for the resurrection.
 
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allright

Active Member
Truly truly I say to you Before Abraham was I Am (eternally existing)

Then they took up stones to kill him (the Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming)

Moses asked God If the people ask what is your name what should i tell them?

Gods answer Tell them I Am has sent me

Jesus claimed to be God. Either He was a liar and a deceiver or he was exactly who he claimed

to be

Also Jesus said If you asked anything in my name I will do it

How could anyone but God make a promise like that
 
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THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

Member
BilliardsBall said:
Indisputable proof that God is Triune and that Jesus, himself, is God.
  • Acts 2:24 = "But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.
  • John 10:18 = "“No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
  • Romans 8:11 = "The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. If the same Holy Spirit lives in you, He will give life to your bodies in the same way."
God's word never contradicts itself.

The Father is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.

But all are God. Hence the use of all three Persons responsible for the resurrection.
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All that you just offered up is indisputable proof that God is NOT triune, and that Jesus isn't God and never has been.

Acts 2:24 - clearly showing the separation between God and Christ because one who is dead cannot raise himself. It took a separate, living individual to raise the one who was not alive.

John 10:18 - Jesus' own admission that he had to be given his authority from God, meaning that Jesus himself did not have such authority until given to him by the one who did have it.

Romans 8:11 - No indication in any kind of slight way of God being triune or of Jesus being God.

God's Word never contradicts itself. It teaches that God is the Father. It does NOT teach that Jesus is God, nor does it teach that the holy spirit is God.

Neither the word "trinity" nor its blasphemous teaching is found anywhere in the Bible.
 
THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

Member
allright said:
Truly truly I say to you Before Abraham was I Am (eternally existing)

Then they took up stones to kill him (the Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming)

Moses asked God If the people ask what is your name what should i tell them?

Gods answer Tell them I Am has sent me

Jesus claimed to be God. Either He was a liar and a deceiver or he was exactly who he claimed

to be

Also Jesus said If you asked anything in my name I will do it

How could anyone but God make a promise like that
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Jesus never claimed to be God. Re-read the passage that you quoted. The verse you quoted was Jesus replying to the religious leaders' comment regarding Jesus AGE, not his identity. And Jesus' reply merely referred to his prehuman existence in heaven prior to coming to the earth.
 
THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

Member
BilliardsBall said:
In Isaiah 9, for one of many examples, the Messiah is counselor, prince, eternal and ALMIGHTY GOD. You keep misstating the facts of the scriptures.
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Rather, YOU keep misstating the facts of the scriptures and misquoting them. "Mighty God" is what Isaiah 9 says, not "Almighty God", which is never applied to Jesus.
 
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allright

Active Member
THE Art Vandelay said:
Jesus never claimed to be God. Re-read the passage that you quoted. The verse you quoted was Jesus replying to the religious leaders' comment regarding Jesus AGE, not his identity. And Jesus' reply merely referred to his prehuman existence in heaven prior to coming to the earth.
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nonsense
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
THE Art Vandelay said:
All that you just offered up is indisputable proof that God is NOT triune, and that Jesus isn't God and never has been.

Acts 2:24 - clearly showing the separation between God and Christ because one who is dead cannot raise himself. It took a separate, living individual to raise the one who was not alive.

John 10:18 - Jesus' own admission that he had to be given his authority from God, meaning that Jesus himself did not have such authority until given to him by the one who did have it.

Romans 8:11 - No indication in any kind of slight way of God being triune or of Jesus being God.

God's Word never contradicts itself. It teaches that God is the Father. It does NOT teach that Jesus is God, nor does it teach that the holy spirit is God.

Neither the word "trinity" nor its blasphemous teaching is found anywhere in the Bible.
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I'm not disputing with you that God is three persons and not a modalist person!
 
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allright

Active Member
Jesus said If you ask anything in my name I will do it

How can anyone but God make a promise like that and keep it
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
THE Art Vandelay said:
Because Jesus is NOT God. Never has been and never will be. You can't be equal to the one who created you, and Jesus was created.
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There are verses describing Jesus being begotten--these are prophecies of His resurrection from the dead.

John 1 describes the Word as God, with God in the beginning, and creator.

There are zero verses saying Jesus was created.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
THE Art Vandelay said:
Yes you are. You're saying God is three persons. The Bible says otherwise.
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i believe that depends on the definition of person. Most Christians say that God is in three persons. God only has one personality so by that definition in all three members of the Trinity He is one person.
 
THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

Member
Muffled said:
i believe that depends on the definition of person. Most Christians say that God is in three persons. God only has one personality so by that definition in all three members of the Trinity He is one person.
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No, SOME Christians say "God is in three persons", and in so doing reject what God's Word actually says, which is that God and Jesus are completely separate and distinct individuals. There is no "trinity".
 
THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

Member
BilliardsBall said:
There are verses describing Jesus being begotten--these are prophecies of His resurrection from the dead.

John 1 describes the Word as God, with God in the beginning, and creator.

There are zero verses saying Jesus was created.
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His being the "only-begotten" Son of God makes him the only act of creation directly done by God himself.

A person cannot be "with" another and at the same time be that person. Just simple common sense.

There are multiple verses saying Jesus was created.
 
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