Fair enough. This doesn't resonate with me at all.
Call me superficial, but I'm not going to read 30 pages to find out, so:
Has it been provided? (Page number/s and post/s).
Maybe best I supply your own solution.
Regards Tony
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Fair enough. This doesn't resonate with me at all.
Call me superficial, but I'm not going to read 30 pages to find out, so:
Has it been provided? (Page number/s and post/s).
I would rather say that sense of guilt is justified.They are great for giving people an undeserved sense of guilt.
I didn't start this thread as you say. I do consider this thread to be a mistake. It won't lead to anything productive probably. Not with @Subduction Zone anyway. I doubt that anyone will be persuaded here that God exists, or that Baha'u'llah is a true Prophet, not in any thread. I just try to make friends where I can. I can learn here, too, sometimes. @Seeker of White Light believed in Baha'u'llah through Baha'u'llah, not through any Baha'is.What then is the point of this thread? If you understand that busy people are not going to invest large amounts of time investigating something just because you say so, then why bother? It's like this, a vacuum cleaner salesman comes to your door and says "I have this amazing cleaner that I'd like you to buy. I understand that you won't take my word for that, so please go away and test this machine and compare it to other machines. A fair test will take several months, you need to test make sure it will last. When you're done, come back and tell me if you want to buy it". How many machines would he sell, do you think?
The question is of course, what is a better approach? I don't know, maybe some links for each point made? Some equivalent of Consumer Reports (not sure what that would be)?
Yes, I know you didn't start the thread. but you'll do to respond to.![]()
Well, it's doing quite well for a mistake .. 600 posts so far.I do consider this thread to be a mistake..
No, that is not the Baha'i message.The Baha'i message is essentially, our prophet is from God and everything he says is the truth. And we know that, because he said so.
Like some Catholics have a vision of Mary. Baha'is have visions of Abdul Baha. And Pentecostals get filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. Real good proof. If it's real.
No, that's not why we believe that.The Baha'i message is essentially, our prophet is from God and everything he says is the truth. And we know that, because he said so.
I didn't start this thread as you say. I do consider this thread to be a mistake. It won't lead to anything productive probably. Not with @Subduction Zone anyway. I doubt that anyone will be persuaded here that God exists, or that Baha'u'llah is a true Prophet, not in any thread. I just try to make friends where I can. I can learn here, too, sometimes. @Seeker of White Light believed in Baha'u'llah through Baha'u'llah, not through any Baha'is.
We don't live in a vacuum. Ideas about religion, God and spiritual things are all around us. Why only the Baha'i interpretation? Why only the fundy Christian interpretation? Of course, Baha'is believe this is a new message and has corrected all the false beliefs that have accumulated over time. But still, for some people, it is only a religion that is making a lot of assumptions, God is real, and Baha'u'llah is his manifestation for this day and age. God being real depends on Baha'u'llah being a manifestation. That's something that we can all look at the claims and evidence, and I like to add, the prophecies, to see if he fulfills those things he claims.
Yeah, that's true, a lot of posts. That doesn't mean it accomplished anything.Well, it's doing quite well for a mistake .. 600 posts so far.![]()
There is no scientific evidence for religion, for obvious logical reasons. Religion is not science.You probably will not accept my definition. That is why I ask others for theirs. Quite often they do not have one because they do not understand the term. I can define scientific evidence quite easily. But I have never seen believers in woo woo define what they mean by evidence.
An English translation would therefore be helpful
Unfortunately I am not the one that claimed to have evidence and then failed.
Oh, sorry. I didn't understand.It OP is only to determine what is valid evidence. It is not here to prove anything from that evidence.
That might very well be true, which is why the couple needs to have the discussion about sex and how important it is to them BEFORE they get married. However, what was once important may become less important for one of them over time, in which case they need to discuss that and try to find a way to deal with it.Meanwhile this site puts it directly in number 4 out of 10:
Mmm .. this thread seems to be like a "honeypot"Yeah, that's true, a lot of posts. That doesn't mean it accomplished anything.People like to argue.
I didn't start this thread as you say. I do consider this thread to be a mistake. It won't lead to anything productive probably. Not with @Subduction Zone anyway. I doubt that anyone will be persuaded here that God exists, or that Baha'u'llah is a true Prophet, not in any thread. I just try to make friends where I can. I can learn here, too, sometimes. @Seeker of White Light believed in Baha'u'llah through Baha'u'llah, not through any Baha'is.
So you have concluded that the evidence contained absolutely no proof? That's fine, no issue from me about that.
Can I ask, just out of interest, did you pursue any of the evidence provided?
Regards Tony
It seems that I was mistaken about that. @TransmutingSoul just told me that I was mistaken that this thread was to convince anyone. He said it was to establish what evidence was.It seems we agree on something and that's the purpose of this thread, proselytising.
Or, just maybe, and since there does not appear to be a good reason not to, they could see if they were compatible or not.That might very well be true, which is why the couple needs to have the discussion about sex and how important it is to them BEFORE they get married. However, what was once important may become less important for one of them over time, in which case they need to discuss that and try to find a way to deal with it.