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Evidences given for a young-earth

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
leroy said:
Interesting, but irrelevant, I am challenging the claim that dinosaur fossils (or the fossils around) are always dated by multiple independent methods for verification, so far none of you have been capable of providing a single example where this was done.
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If you do not understand the basics you will not be able to understand the answer.

Do you understand this yet? That they could know when a stratum was deposited around the world by comparing the fossils in the bed to others. Please note, this is not an absolute date, it is a relative one.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
leroy said:
Interesting, but irrelevant, I am challenging the claim that dinosaur fossils (or the fossils around) are always dated by multiple independent methods for verification, so far none of you have been capable of providing a single example where this was done.
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Radiometric dating is one method (or actually there are multiple methods, since you can use lead-lead (Pb-Pb) dating, potassium-argon (K-Ar) dating, and uranium-lead (U-Pb) dating.)

Then there are luminescence dating methods.

Then, there are various stratigraphy methods. Estimating the age of each stratum, have been century before the first radiometric Method was invented.
 
leroy

leroy

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
If you do not understand the basics you will not be able to understand the answer.

Do you understand this yet? That they could know when a stratum was deposited around the world by comparing the fossils in the bed to others. Please note, this is not an absolute date, it is a relative one.
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Granted, but I am challenging the claim that fossils (or the rocks around them) are always dated for verification multiple independent times. (would you agree that the statement is wrong)

The truth is that fossils (or the rocks around it) are usually not dated, the age is assumed on the basis of previous knowledge. (would you agree that this statement is correct?)
 
leroy

leroy

Well-Known Member
gnostic said:
Radiometric dating is one method (or actually there are multiple methods, since you can use lead-lead (Pb-Pb) dating, potassium-argon (K-Ar) dating, and uranium-lead (U-Pb) dating.)

Then there are luminescence dating methods.

Then, there are various stratigraphy methods. Estimating the age of each stratum, have been century before the first radiometric Method was invented.
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Sure, but what you have to do is provide an example where multiple independent methods where used to date a fossil of a dinosaur
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
leroy said:
Sure, but what you have to do is provide an example where multiple independent methods where used to date a fossil of a dinosaur
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As I told you have repeatedly, I am not paleontologist, nor a geologist. I am not even a biologist.

Are you any of these? Are you a biologist, a paleontologist or a geologist?

And as I have said before, if you want to talk about different methods, then I have already told you to look up the “Hell Creek Formation”, because they used stratigraphy methods as well as radiometric dating method.

And I believed that Polymath252 have already mentioned Hell Creek Formation to you.

I am not going to do your homework for you.

Seriously, Leroy, the very first thing any paleontologist or geologist find fossils in a specific layer or stratum of where the fossilization take place is to examine the stratum itself, before luminescence technique or radiometric technique.

Are you really that daft that you would keep ignoring stratigraphy?

Stratigraphy is always the first thing thing before any fossil or any geological sample are taken to some labs to test. You don’t have to go to the lab when you examining the stratum of where you might have found the fossils.

And why must you make me repeat myself, look up Hell Creek Formation.
 
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dad

dad

Undefeated
sooda said:
Have you ever taken a geology course?

Dating Fossils – How Are Fossils Dated? - FossilEra.com
https://www.fossilera.com/pages/dating-fossils
Relative Dating. Sometimes multiple index fossils can be used. In a hypothetical example, a rock formation contains fossils of a type of brachiopod known to occur between 410 and 420 million years. The same rock formation also contains a type of trilobite that was known to live 415 to 425 million years ago.
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Trilobites are known to have lived 6000 years ago. Your dream dates are known to be false. Your belief based dating is known to rest upon specific unsupportable beliefs.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
dad said:
Trilobites are known to have lived 6000 years ago. Your dream dates are known to be false. Your belief based dating is known to rest upon specific unsupportable beliefs.
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Perhaps you should take a course in geology 101 at your local college.
 
dad

dad

Undefeated
sooda said:
LOLOL.. Actually they don't. Mainstream Protestantism was not buried in fundamentalism or reading the scriptures as literal.
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So what, are we supposed to care about church system politics or whether some do or do not believe Jesus, the apostles, prophets and bible?
 
dad

dad

Undefeated
sooda said:
Perhaps you should take a course in geology 101 at your local college.
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Fantasy 101 you mean that is mislabeled.The reasons for the dates are simple and well known. They use the present as the key to the past, and assume that the radioactivity (thus-radioactive decay) we see here also existed in Noah's day. Proof? Prove the same laws/nature existed then, or you have religion. Period.
I guess it is too much for some people to actually think about what they are taught.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
dad said:
So what, are we supposed to care about church system politics or whether some do or do not believe Jesus, the apostles, prophets and bible?
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Why don't you take a geology course at your local college? You seem to have a passionate interest in the subject?
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
dad said:
Fantasy 101 you mean that is mislabeled.The reasons for the dates are simple and well known. They use the present as the key to the past, and assume that the radioactivity we see here also existed in Noah's day. Proof? Prove the same laws/nature existed then, or you have religion. Period.
I guess it is too much for some people to actually think about what they are taught.
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"Noah's" flood is not that old.. It dates to the Euphrates River Basin 2900 BC.

Why do you think the laws of nature have changed?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
leroy said:
Granted, but I am challenging the claim that fossils (or the rocks around them) are always dated for verification multiple independent times. (would you agree that the statement is wrong)

The truth is that fossils (or the rocks around it) are usually not dated, the age is assumed on the basis of previous knowledge. (would you agree that this statement is correct?)
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"Assumed" is a poor term to use. The age is usually a conclusion drawn from several sources. It appears that you know this and that the dates of fossils are accurate. What beef do you have with those dates?
dad said:
They allow you to try and pair up reversals with 'dates' established by same state past belief radioactive decay methods. Circular!
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I see. so you are admitting that you are wrong again.

When you want to learn people here can help you.
 
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gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
dad said:
Fantasy 101 you mean that is mislabeled.The reasons for the dates are simple and well known. They use the present as the key to the past, and assume that the radioactivity (thus-radioactive decay) we see here also existed in Noah's day. Proof? Prove the same laws/nature existed then, or you have religion. Period.
I guess it is too much for some people to actually think about what they are taught.
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That’s not how it work with science.

Radioactive isotopes work, decaying at known rate, eg C14, K40 to Ar40, U238 to Pb206, U235 to Pb207, etc, detected, measured and recorded as observed evidence.

If you really think these don’t work, then you must be the one to provide explanation as to WHY it don’t work, and provide evidence that back up your claims.

But you cannot and have not back up your claim with evidence, so it is you who are making baseless claims (claims with no evidence).

So what do you do? You have been trying to burdens of proof upon others.

All you can offered is your personal opinion and made up stories of conspiracy theories of how geologists are working together against Creationism and Intelligent Design. All of this do, is exposed your own ignorance and shine spotlight of lack of honesty and integrity.

The science behind geology, stratigraphy, paleontology, anthropology and biology, isn’t about theism vs atheism, dad. If you look around, a number of arguing against you, are theists, some are Christians, some are Jews and some are Hindus, and some are Baha’i, all of them theism. So it isn’t just atheists or agnostics disagreeing with you.

The differences between you (and other creationists) and them (theists who do have experiences with science), is they understand and accepted science and the evidence that back up the science, is you (like every others creationists) don’t even have the qualification to understand the basic concepts of scientific evidence.

You don’t understand fact or scientific evidence if it punched you in the nose.
 
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