Evil demands a price: exorcism

[angellous_evangellous]

It's not death, but he didn't watch the video.

My buddy sent me an email this morning -- he's being sued and he stands to lose everything. He's had it very, very good, even in college. Both he and his wife had lucrative teaching jobs - well, $90k right out of undergrad. He built a very successful business doing light, music, and decor and such for weddings and other events. After more than a decade of no incidents at all, a light fell on a bride just as she was walking under the rigging. Turns out his insurance lapsed and there's no protection. He's going to lose everything.

So his wife runs to a divorce lawyer to see if she can run off with half of everything before he loses it.

 

[roger1440]

FWIW I have been trying to figure out how to share it with a person while preventing them from downloading it or passing it on.

The closest you can get would be streaming video. A streamed video does not keep a copy on the computer it is being streamed too. Netflix is an example. But a streamed video can be copied using software that captures what is being viewed on the desktop. A lot of people don’t know that. I have software that will copy anything I’m looking at on my monitor and save it as a video with audio.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The closest you can get would be streaming video. A streamed video does not keep a copy on the computer it is being streamed too. Netflix is an example. But a streamed video can be copied using software that captures what is being viewed on the desktop. A lot of people don’t know that. I have software that will copy anything I’m looking at on my monitor and save it as a video with audio.

I do too. I never thought of doing that. You opened a whole new world for me. Time to put that teaching software of mine to much better use.:angel2:

I was reinventing the wheel, lol.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Interesting story. Honestly, I really want to see this film. I've seen other films and recordings of real exorcisms, including the ones of Anneliese Michel. I was almost possessed once, myself. None of that bothers me.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Interesting story. Honestly, I really want to see this film. I've seen other films and recordings of real exorcisms, including the ones of Anneliese Michel. I was almost possessed once, myself. None of that bothers me.

Honestly, it doesn't bother me, either. I just respect it, that's all. You know - I could make fun of it as a scholar and dismiss it flatly with derision, but I respect it instead.

I might end up sharing it - but it's precious, you know? Formative. I've seen all of the exorcism videos, too - we watched many of the famous examples in class. This one was different.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's interesting. I don't know how one becomes an exorcist -- a real one, that is. It's so secretive in the Church, and probably even more so with the current Pope. I was told that there was only three back in 2000 or so, and they probably won't be replaced when they die. They might have an apprentice or something - but this seems like something that one "lucks" in to.

The Vatican has been training a bunch of exorcists because they've been going through a "satanic panic" scare in Italy for awhile. Gabriele Amorth is basically the head exorcist over there.

Vatican and Pope Francis Seek New Demon Exorcists - The Daily Beast
Exorcism Conference At Vatican Addresses The Need For More Demon-Fighting Priests

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Honestly, it doesn't bother me, either. I just respect it, that's all. You know - I could make fun of it as a scholar and dismiss it flatly with derision, but I respect it instead.

I might end up sharing it - but it's precious, you know? Formative. I've seen all of the exorcism videos, too - we watched many of the famous examples in class. This one was different.

Well, I really want to see it. I love bizarre stuff and have seen it all.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The Vatican has been training a bunch of exorcists because they've been going through a "satanic panic" scare in Italy for awhile. Gabriele Amorth is basically the head exorcist over there.

Vatican and Pope Francis Seek New Demon Exorcists - The Daily Beast
Exorcism Conference At Vatican Addresses The Need For More Demon-Fighting Priests

I believe it - from what I know, exorcism has been in decline for the past 100 years or so - or at least after WWII - I know that's quite a time gap, but it marks significant changes in how the church deals with it.

Anyway, I less than half believe that it's "real" but I don't want any part of it if it is. Know what I mean?

 

[dave_]

You should put the video in youtube because in all my life i've never seen sth like that and if people see this video and start dying i would certainly become a religious person.Lots of other atheistic people would also become religious and in a way this would prove the existence of god.

 

[dave_]

Religious people try hard to film those things and upload to youtube but even i watched lots of those videos all of them were lame.So you would be doing a favor to church

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You should put the video in youtube because in all my life i've never seen sth like that and if people see this video and start dying i would certainly become a religious person.Lots of other atheistic people would also become religious and in a way this would prove the existence of god.

That's an awfully high price to pay for one person to believe.

Besides, that doesn't sound the way that evil would work to me -- it works best in the shadows. If it revealed itself as dangerous, and people realize the true nature of evil, people would avoid it. That's the pattern that you're expressing here - if there were a real power, you would flee to belief. I don't think that evil would reveal itself to you - it would defeat the purpose.

 

[Thruve]

That's an awfully high price to pay for one person to believe.

Besides, that doesn't sound the way that evil would work to me -- it works best in the shadows. If it revealed itself as dangerous, and people realize the true nature of evil, people would avoid it. That's the pattern that you're expressing here - if there were a real power, you would flee to belief. I don't think that evil would reveal itself to you - it would defeat the purpose.

I already told you what the deal was here >.>
You guys keep going on as if evil is the culprit.

 

[dawny0826]

I do believe that principalities of both light and dark are at work around us.

If in AE's shoes, I might attribute such occurences to demonic influence or mere circumstance.

If in his shoes, I'd let the video die now. My opinion is that whether connected to evil or not, by entertaining the notice (edit: notion) that it yields or is connected to a certain power or influence is comparable to giving it significance, power and the ability to influence.

I think that I'd claim firmly that it's without power over my life and the life of others. And move on.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I already told you what the deal was here >.>
You guys keep going on as if evil is the culprit.

I can't imagine how you get that from what I said.

It seems like a bias is forcing you to read it a certain way.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

If in AE's shoes, I might attribute such occurences to demonic influence or mere circumstance.

Those are two choices -- then there's the psychological effect -- much like how my posts are mistakenly read to attribute everything to evil/ the demonic by folks who want me to.

I have a respect for evil - I do not admit that I believe that it exists. And if it does exist, my focus is on the constructive, the positive.

 

[dawny0826]

Those are two choices -- then there's the psychological effect -- much like how my posts are mistakenly read to attribute everything to evil/ the demonic by folks who want me to.

I have a respect for evil - I do not admit that I believe that it exists. And if it does exist, my focus is on the constructive, the positive.

I've understood your focus.

I've simply opined as to how I might perceive such occurences and how I might choose to react.

I'm really sorry for the losses that you've experienced. I wish good things for you and yours.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I've understood your focus.

I've simply opined as to how I might perceive such occurences and how I might choose to react.

I'm really sorry for the losses that you've experienced. I wish good things for you and yours.

Don't worry - I wasn't referring directly to you, but referring to the last post as well.

And I haven't really lost anything -- well, college friends 14 years ago.

 

[InChrist]

I have had my encounters with spiritual evil over the years which were very frightening, but nothing near the intensity of the OP. Nevertheless, I believe God allowed me to see the reality of satan and the demonic realm because only then did I understand the the bigger picture and realize my powerlessness against such malevolent beings and need of a Savior.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I finally watched the film in full today. I have decided to release it on Vimeo for a limited time in 14 days, which seems to me to be enough time for something to happen that would make me change my mind. If something happens to me, it's already uploaded and will be available at 11:59PM on Oct 30. I haven't yet decided how long it will be available - but probably between 3 and 14 days.

If you don't hear from me, good luck and God bless.

 

[Buttercup]

I finally watched the film in full today. I have decided to release it on Vimeo for a limited time in 14 days, which seems to me to be enough time for something to happen that would make me change my mind. If something happens to me, it's already uploaded and will be available at 11:59PM on Oct 30. I haven't yet decided how long it will be available - but probably between 3 and 14 days.

If you don't hear from me, good luck and God bless.

Was that the first time you've seen any part of the film in 14 years? If so, what did you think this time around? More or less believable?