Evil Is the Essence of Everything That Exists.

[CynthiaCypher]

I know that sounds bleak.

I believe that this universe's essence is it's Creator, the substance of the universe is the Demiurge. Every atom and electron, every molecule or chemical compound, all of life, human and animal is informed by the Demiurge. All that of which is matter and all of that which is energy is the manifestation of God's being.

This is basically pantheism...but I also happen to believe God is evil and imperfect and since God is evil and imperfect so is God's creation. And that include us, in fact while I believe that God is the possibility, the potential and will of evil, I believe that every single human being living on this planet is the actualization of evil.

I don't think that God is utterly evil, I think God is more of a mediocre and inept sort of being and that is probably why the majority of the human race is mediocre and inept, because we are accurately reflecting our Creator, who is a banal sort of evil. But I also believe that the Creator has a "shadow" side of himself that he is in contention with and wishes to destroy because he is ignorant that this "opposite" side of himself is him. And it is this contention which causes the presence of radical evil in our world. Radical evil is what happens when God rages against God for doing evil, which results in greater evils being committed.

God is also not totally evil because God wants good, he wants order and he wants justice, it is just his ignorance that prevents him from achieving any of these thing. He intends good but because of his ignorance we get evil, he intend order but we get chaos, he intends justice but we get injustice. His ignorance as corrupted him and it is his ignorance that permeates all so it corrupts everything. We too often seek to do good but often in our endeavors we only make things worse.

So basically we live in a crap sack world because we have a crappy Creator. But he is a creator and he does manage to create things of beauty when inspired but I really don't think that inspiration comes from him.

So what do you think?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Sounds woefully mundane (literally).

I thought you appreciated Nietzsche more than this.

 

[columbus]

I'm looking forward to Tumah re-explaining that evil doesn't exist.

Tom

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Sounds woefully mundane (literally).

I thought you appreciated Nietzsche more than this.

I do. I am a happy person even in the face of nihilism. Just because we live in a evil milieu does not mean we have to resign ourselves and not resist it.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I do. I am a happy person even in the face of nihilism. Just because we live in a evil milieu does not mean we have to resign ourselves and not resist it.

...that's all you got out of his work?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

...that's all you got out of his work?

Well I did not pick up any of his atheism but I do agree with him that when we face a moral void due to the absence of God then we have take courage and create our own morality and our own meaning. We have to bear this world with courage.

 

[Amechania]

So basically we live in a crap sack world because we have a crappy Creator. But he is a creator and he does manage to create things of beauty when inspired but I really don't think that inspiration comes from him.

So what do you think?

I don't believe we live in a world of evil but a world of great beauty and wonder. Everything about our world is glorious. In the morning we wake to the sound of birds and in the night we can look out into the starry eternity, content and at the same time fearful, and, for me at least, contrite. I don't know what incredible mind concieved all this if any, but I know in my heart that it is not malevolent, If evil exists it is in the hearts of fearful us, and not in the heart of the author of life.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I don't believe we live in a world of evil but a world of great beauty and wonder. Everything about our world is glorious. In the morning we wake to the sound of birds and in the night we can look out into the starry eternity, content and at the same time fearful, and, for me at least, contrite. I don't know what incredible mind concieved all this if any, but I know in my heart that it is not malevolent, If evil exists it is in the hearts of fearful us, and not in the heart of the author of life.

So basically you are saying the glass is half full while I am saying the glass is half empty?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Well I did not pick up any of his atheism but I do agree with him that when we face a moral void due to the absence of God then we have take courage and create our own morality and our own meaning. We have to bear this world with courage.

...and yet you say that "evil is the essence of everything that exists".

So, you've created a morality that states that everything is bad, and that it's okay to deny life.

I bet if they hooked a generator up to Nietzsche's grave it would bring power to all of Europe right now.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

...and yet you say that "evil is the essence of everything that exists".

I am a Gnostic, what else do you expect me to beleive, that everything is good?

So, you've created a morality that states that everything is bad, and that it's okay to deny life.

No I haven't

I bet if they hooked a generator up to Nietzsche's grave it would bring power to all of Europe right now.

He never believe that the world was a rose garden either.

 

[Amechania]

So basically you are saying the glass is half full while I am saying the glass is half empty?

Oh no, my glass is full and overflowing.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

No I haven't

Then saying that "Evil Is the Essence of Everything That Exists" was just sensationalist writing?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I know that sounds bleak. … So what do you think?

Evil is not the essence of my wife, my children, my grandchildren, my friends, my synagogue, the organization and people with whom I volunteer, the countless people involved in the charities which I support …

… and I could easily continue.​

And, more importantly, I am not in the least unique in this regard.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Oh no, my glass is full and overflowing.

And what Disney movie are you living in? Because in the world I live in is full of injustice and inequality. This world is full of greed and ignorance.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Evil is not the essence of my wife, my children, my grandchildren, my friends, my synagogue, the organization and people with whom I volunteer, the countless people involved in the charities which I support …

… and I could easily continue.​

And, more importantly, I am not in the least unique in this regard.

Are you or they perfect in all ways?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Then saying that "Evil Is the Essence of Everything That Exists" was just sensationalist writing?

That is just the way I see the material world. I don't believe that just because we live in a prison that we have to act like criminals. I believe that we need to resist that impulse to do so.

 

[Amechania]

And what Disney movie are you living in? Because in the world I live in is full of injustice and inequality. This world is full of greed and ignorance.

And why is it unjust? "The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves." Take heart and know you can make a real difference, if only in the life a single person. if you believe the world is fraught with injustice don't be overcome by the world, but overcome it.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

That is just the way I see the material world. I don't believe that just because we live in a prison that we have to act like criminals. I believe that we need to resist that impulse to do so.

You vilify all (or part) of your nature and you don't see that as life-denying?

 

[Flankerl]

So what do you think?

That you Gnostics are quite a depressing bunch of people.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Evil is not the essence of my wife, my children, my grandchildren, my friends, my synagogue, the organization and people with whom I volunteer, the countless people involved in the charities which I support …

… and I could easily continue.​

And, more importantly, I am not in the least unique in this regard.

Are you or they perfect in all ways?

That doesn't even rise to the level of sophistry.