Evil

[Green Gaia]

How does your religion or beliefs explain evil and suffering?

 

[Ardhanariswar]

that evil and suffering is the result of our karma. also how we desire and live can lead to suffering. the four noble truths, etc... (hinduism).

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So people deserve suffering. Much like the rape victim, they bring it on themself. No?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I thought the four noble truths come from Buddha.

 

[Helios]

I will state three truths:

1.) 'Cold' does not exist. Only the absence of heat exists. 'Cold' is a word man created to describe the absence of heat. It is impossible to reach -273 degrees C. This number is referred to as absolute zero, and it is impossible to reach it. At this number, heat ceases to exist. If we could reach it we would have the absense of heat or 'cold' but we cant. Therefore 'cold' does not exist.

2.) 'Dark does not exist'. Only the absense of light exists. It is possible to create light, we can even contain light in a jar or capsule as we have before for various purposes (flashlight, flashbulb, flashbomb-used in military etc.) However, it is impossible to create or capture 'dark', all we have is the absense of light, which man has come to call dark. We cannot create dark only take away light, and when we do, there is still a miniscule amount of light. The only places where there is only 'dark' would be inside of the earth where there is no light. But if that earth was opened light would enter, we could not contain the 'dark' because it cannot be reflected like light. Therefore light exists, 'dark' does not.

3.) 'evil' does not exist. Evil is a word we created when we are describing the absence of good. In the beginning, if you will, all the angels including Satan were "with" god, or as christians say "in god's grace", there was no evil, only good. However, when Satan disobeyed god, god left him, and Satan became ultimately evil, because he was then devoid of good. The root of his evil came from his jealousy of Adam, this jealousy which had not been experienced by any before was an evil act because if was devoid of any good. Im sure you would have noticed that many people in the world do and do not believe in god. But only some of these people are evil. Whether they believe in god or not, they are only 'evil' because they and have no good in their actions.

So you see 'evil' does not exist, only the person who has no good in his life.
I have told you three truths. Heed them.

Helios has spoken.

 

[Ceridwen018]

Helios, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I see where you're trying to go with it, but there seems to be some indicrepency. Heat/cold, and light/dark are combinations which can be observed by the senses and measured. We can measure how much heat or light there is, etc. (I agree that 'cold' and 'dark' technically do not exist, by the by). Anyway, good/evil cannot be measured. We cannot measure how much 'good' there is in a certain area, etc. In my mind, neither good nor evil exist--there is just reality. Humans have placed restrictions on this reality based on what they feel benefits their society most, but at the end of the day, it's all the same.

From another perspective, we would need to realize that 'good' and 'evil' are defined mostly by actions. Giving money to charity would be generally thought of as a 'good' action, whereas if I were to go out and work the corner, that would be considered 'evil'. Both of these actions are equal in the sense that they are actions (if that makes sense). Sooo, the evil action cannot be construed as simply a 'lack of good' any more than the good one can be called a 'lack of evil'.

 

[Christ Michael]

I will state three truths:

1.) 'Cold' does not exist. Only the absence of heat exists. 'Cold' is a word man created to describe the absence of heat. It is impossible to reach -273 degrees C. This number is referred to as absolute zero, and it is impossible to reach it. At this number, heat ceases to exist. If we could reach it we would have the absense of heat or 'cold' but we cant. Therefore 'cold' does not exist.

2.) 'Dark does not exist'. Only the absense of light exists. It is possible to create light, we can even contain light in a jar or capsule as we have before for various purposes (flashlight, flashbulb, flashbomb-used in military etc.) However, it is impossible to create or capture 'dark', all we have is the absense of light, which man has come to call dark. We cannot create dark only take away light, and when we do, there is still a miniscule amount of light. The only places where there is only 'dark' would be inside of the earth where there is no light. But if that earth was opened light would enter, we could not contain the 'dark' because it cannot be reflected like light. Therefore light exists, 'dark' does not.

3.) 'evil' does not exist. Evil is a word we created when we are describing the absence of good. In the beginning, if you will, all the angels including Satan were "with" god, or as christians say "in god's grace", there was no evil, only good. However, when Satan disobeyed god, god left him, and Satan became ultimately evil, because he was then devoid of good. The root of his evil came from his jealousy of Adam, this jealousy which had not been experienced by any before was an evil act because if was devoid of any good. Im sure you would have noticed that many people in the world do and do not believe in god. But only some of these people are evil. Whether they believe in god or not, they are only 'evil' because they and have no good in their actions.

So you see 'evil' does not exist, only the person who has no good in his life.
I have told you three truths. Heed them.

Helios has spoken.

Only the first two are correct ! Evil MUST exist in this EXPERIENTIAL and EVOLUTIONARY reality but evil only exists in POTENTIAL form. The truth of this is self-evident because if we ALL decided to do only good there would be no evil exibited in the world. Had you read "The Lucifer Manifesto" thread in this forum you would understand that Lucifer, Satan and Devil were never with God and the reason they " fell" was the same reason that we ALL fall, and that is the " exultation " of our MINDS. This truth is also self-evident because some of the greatest murderers in the history of the world were extremely intelligent people yet they killed millions. The reason they were able to kill millions is because their MINDS WERE NOT SPIRITUALIZED ( were not led by the indwelling spirit of God). Only a spiritualized mind understands compassion, mercy, kindness and goodness and then acts accordingly.
Here then, is also the answer to sin and salvation. The same mind that believes in the reality of darkness and coldness can also believe in the reality of evil, sin, murder, rape and plunder, but these things are NOT real.
The TRUE reality of the WHOLE of Creation is SPIRIT whose qualities are light, truth, kindness, goodness, mercy, justice !!!
If a person consistently CHOOSES to do the UNREAL things it shows that this person is actually INSANE and no insane person can inherit The Kingdom Of God. One is given numerous chances to see, understand and apply the TRUTH but if a person absolutely refuses, like Lucifer, Satan and Devil then the universal law of " What mercy can NOT rehabilitate, justice will annihilate" comes into effect. You are toast !!!



Cheers

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Evil MUST exist in this EXPERIENTIAL and EVOLUTIONARY reality but evil only exists in POTENTIAL form.

Speaking of evil, how do you rationalize your cult's racist views of racial superiority and inferiority?

 

[Christ Michael]

Speaking of evil, how do you rationalize your cult's racist views of racial superiority and inferiority?

Had you read the whole thing, and UNDERSTOOD it, you would see that it is more along the lines in my signature. If you have a problem with it I suggest you take it up with God !!! Good luck !!!!



Cheers

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What is your position on racial superiority and inferiority? Do you consider such concepts evil?

 

[Gorilla]

Question for Helios: Is the the impossibilty of reaching absolute zero b/c of Newton's Law of cooling? A.k.a. a decreasing exponential function that can never hit zero b/c it's limit is zero as x goes to infiniti? I only ask this b/c a lot of statements are made about what "is" when in fact the mathematical model used to describe the situation is just that: a model.

 

[painted wolf]

evil the nessisary ballance for good....

definitions change as to what is good and what is evil but without a concept of evil thier can be no concept of good.

you have to know what you can and cant do in a society to make it work.

wa:do

 

[Christ Michael]

evil the nessisary ballance for good....

definitions change as to what is good and what is evil but without a concept of evil thier can be no concept of good.

you have to know what you can and cant do in a society to make it work.

wa:do

Incorrect !! Goodness is one of the spiritual qualities of God The Father and as such it exists irrigardless evil. While evil can be defined as "absence of good", it doesn't work the other way around.


Cheers

 

[painted wolf]

what is Evil?

murder? what about self defence?
theft? what if your starving and someone elce has all the food?

life is not black and white....

Creator is ballance, as creator made everything and everything is creator.

evil included

wa:do

 

[Ardhanariswar]

"Incorrect !! Goodness is one of the spiritual qualities of God The Father and as such it exists irrigardless evil. While evil can be defined as "absence of good", it doesn't work the other way around."

that is what everyone wants, i think. everyone wants to be happy, not suffering, sorrowfree.

unfortunitly that is not reality. reality is not pure black and white. there are many shades of gray in reality. it takes a real heart of courage and love to awknowlegde that and help humanity.


the balance of good and evil will remain in the world as long as humans live on this earth.

 

[Christ Michael]

what is Evil?

murder? what about self defence?
theft? what if your starving and someone elce has all the food?

life is not black and white....

Creator is ballance, as creator made everything and everything is creator.

evil included

wa:do

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Jesus' last visit with Gadiah had to do with a discussion of good and evil. This young Philistine was much troubled by a feeling of injustice because of the presence of evil in the world alongside the good. He said: "How can God, if he is infinitely good, permit us to suffer the sorrows of evil; after all, who creates evil?" It was still believed by many in those days that God creates both good and evil, but Jesus never taught such error. In answering this question, Jesus said: "My brother, God is love; therefore he must be good, and his goodness is so great and real that it cannot contain the small and unreal things of evil. God is so positively good that there is absolutely no place in him for negative evil. Evil is the immature choosing and the unthinking misstep of those who are resistant to goodness, rejectful of beauty, and disloyal to truth. Evil is only the misadaptation of immaturity or the disruptive and distorting influence of ignorance. Evil is the inevitable darkness which follows upon the heels of the unwise rejection of light. Evil is that which is dark and untrue, and which, when consciously embraced and willfully endorsed, becomes sin.

"Your Father in heaven, by endowing you with the power to choose between truth and error, created the potential negative of the positive way of light and life; but such errors of evil are really nonexistent until such a time as an intelligent creature wills their existence by mischoosing the way of life. And then are such evils later exalted into sin by the knowing and deliberate choice of such a willful and rebellious creature. This is why our Father in heaven permits the good and the evil to go along together until the end of life, just as nature allows the wheat and the tares to grow side by side until the harvest." Gadiah was fully satisfied with Jesus' answer to his question after their subsequent discussion had made clear to his mind the real meaning of these momentous statements.

[from The Urantia Book]

Understanding evil, sin and inequity helps in understanding the "TRUE NATURE OF REALITY ". Everything bad in the world is the product of our own choosing and has nothing to do with God. If we all decided to do good, evil wouldn't exist.



Cheers

 

[painted wolf]

by that logic all good is the byproduct of our choosing and nothing to do with god. If we all decided to do evil then good wouldn't exist.

wa:do

 

[Christ Michael]

by that logic all good is the byproduct of our choosing and nothing to do with god. If we all decided to do evil then good wouldn't exist.

wa:do

While your statement is true philosofically speaking, it is not true from a spiritual perspective. Good is a true spiritual quality, evident by the fact that, when we do good deeds, we FEEL happy and satisfied. Evil, not being a spiritual quality, can never make you feel good or satisfied.
All of Creation is based on spiritual qualities but in this time-space reality The MIND can, and does, choose the unreality of evil. Jesus Christ knew all of this and that's why he proclaimed "the brotherhood of men", because that is the true nature of reality.


Cheers

 

[Ardhanariswar]

ya that makes sense. jesus wasnt the only one to proclaim this.

spirituality exists in all cultures, in some form or another.

 

[Master Vigil]

Evil, good, black, white, etc... They are all subjective ideas. They only exist within our minds. And no, the spirit is not just good. Spirits are neither good, nor evil in themsleves. They are only so within the perception of those perceiving them. Neither is god, for no such god that exists can be perfect while being solely good. Balance is the universe.