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Evolution a religion

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
I believe that Evolution is a religion

Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Evolution: . Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift

Oh, yeah. I can totally see the similarities.

Also: CA610: Evolution religious

the believe that something happened, but that can not for sure. So fare now one could prove that evolution is real.

"Proof" is reserved for mathematics and alcohol. Nothing can be proved with 100% certainty, nor does science claim any ability to do so. All of the available evidence, however, from many diverse fields does point to evolution.

For example:

All life shows a fundamental unity in the mechanisms of replication, heritability, catalysis, and metabolism.

Common descent predicts a nested hierarchy pattern, or groups within groups. We see just such an arrangement in a unique, consistent, well-defined hierarchy, the so-called tree of life.

Different lines of evidence give the same arrangement of the tree of life. We get essentially the same results whether we look at morphological, biochemical, or genetic traits.

Fossil animals fit in the same tree of life. We find several cases of transitional forms in the fossil record.

The fossils appear in a chronological order, showing change consistent with common descent over hundreds of millions of years and inconsistent with sudden creation.

Many organisms show rudimentary, vestigial characters, such as sightless eyes or wings useless for flight.

Atavisms sometimes occur. An atavism is the reappearance of a character present in a distant ancestor but lost in the organism's immediate ancestors.

We only see atavisms consistent with organisms' evolutionary histories.

Ontogeny (embryology and developmental biology) gives information about the historical pathway of an organism's evolution. For example, as embryos whales and many snakes develop hind limbs that are reabsorbed before birth.

The distribution of species is consistent with their evolutionary history. For example, marsupials are mostly limited to Australia, and the exceptions are explained by continental drift. Remote islands often have species groups that are highly diverse in habits and general appearance but closely related genetically. Squirrel diversity coincides with tectonic and sea level changes (Mercer and Roth 2003). Such consistency still holds when the distribution of fossil species is included.

Evolution predicts that new structures are adapted from other structures that already exist, and thus similarity in structures should reflect evolutionary history rather than function. We see this frequently. For example, human hands, bat wings, horse legs, whale flippers, and mole forelimbs all have similar bone structure despite their different functions.

The same principle applies on a molecular level. Humans share a large percentage of their genes, probably more than 70 percent, with a fruit fly or a nematode worm.

When two organisms evolve the same function independently, different structures are often recruited. For example, wings of birds, bats, pterosaurs, and insects all have different structures. Gliding has been implemented in many additional ways. Again, this applies on a molecular level, too.

The constraints of evolutionary history sometimes lead to suboptimal structures and functions. For example, the human throat and respiratory system make it impossible to breathe and swallow at the same time and make us susceptible to choking.

Suboptimality appears also on the molecular level. For example, much DNA is nonfunctional.

Some nonfunctional DNA, such as certain transposons, pseudogenes, and endogenous viruses, show a pattern of inheritance indicating common ancestry.

Speciation has been observed.

The day-to-day aspects of evolution -- heritable genetic change, morphological variation and change, functional change, and natural selection -- are seen to occur at rates consistent with common descent.

Furthermore, the different lines of evidence are consistent; they all point to the same big picture. For example, evidence from gene duplications in the yeast genome shows that its ability to ferment glucose evolved about eighty million years ago. Fossil evidence shows that fermentable fruits became prominent about the same time. Genetic evidence for major change around that time also is found in fruiting plants and fruit flies (Benner et al. 2002).

The evidence is extensive and consistent, and it points unambiguously to evolution, including common descent, change over time, and adaptation influenced by natural selection. It would be preposterous to refer to these as anything other than facts.

Source: TalkOrigins
 
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Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
What exactly do you mean by still just a theory?
What I mean is:

funny-science-news-experiments-memes-damn-right-richard-dawkins.jpg
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
I believe that Evolution is a religion, the believe that something happened, but that can not for sure. So fare now one could prove that evolution is real.
Such statements simply reflect one's lack of understanding of evolution and religion.
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
The only evolution exists is micro evolution it can be proven. The macro evolution can not be proven.
So what stops microevolution from becoming macroevolution over time? Please provide a specific mechanism which prevents this from happening.
 
Without question, evolution coupled with abiogenesis acts as a religion for many people. It's their creation story. In fact, Darwinism and Christianity are quite analogous.

Aspect: Darwinism (Christianity)

Creator: Nature (God)

Messiah: Darwin (Jesus)

Holy Text: On the Origin of Species (Bible)

Apostles: Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, P.Z. Meyers, etc. (Peter, John, Andrew, etc.)

Celebration of the Messiah's Birth: Darwin Day (Christmas)

Symbolism:
fish.gif




Two other similarities are in the various conventions atheists attend, in which large groups of atheists sit and listen to sermons about Darwinian evolution. Needless to say. these conventions are eerily similar to church.

The other is the obvious emotional investment atheists have in Darwinian evolution; how they defend it, and the vitriolic outrage they espouse at those who doubt it, as if they're heretics.

Anyone who says there's no religious connection between atheism and Darwinian evolution is either ignorant or a liar. It's so obvious that denying it is like denying gravity.
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Without question, evolution coupled with abiogenesis acts as a religion for many people. It's their creation story. In fact, Darwinism and Christianity are quite analogous.

Aspect: Darwinism (Christianity)

Creator: Nature (God)

Messiah: Darwin (Jesus)

Holy Text: On the Origin of Species (Bible)

Apostles: Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, P.Z. Meyers, etc. (Peter, John, Andrew, etc.)

Celebration of the Messiah's Birth: Darwin Day (Christmas)

Symbolism:
fish.gif




Two other similarities are in the various conventions atheists attend, in which large groups of atheists sit and listen to sermons about Darwinian evolution. Needless to say. these conventions are eerily similar to church.

The other is the obvious emotional investment atheists have in Darwinian evolution; how they defend it, and the vitriolic outrage they espouse at those who doubt it, as if they're heretics.

Anyone who says there's no religious connection between atheism and Darwinian evolution is either ignorant or a liar. It's so obvious that denying it is like denying gravity.

Please don't generalise. I'm an atheist and I'm nowhere near what you described atheists and atheism as.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend serioja,

Evolution a religion

It is THE only RELIGION! or DHARMA!

Dharma means in a way the law of existence and EVOLVING is that law and those following this religion just needs to consciously evolve till only evolution alone remains no *I* or *me* that is evolving.

Love & rgds
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
The Symbolism comes from the Vesica Piscis.

"The term "vesica piscis," meaning "fish bladder" in Latin"




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Which later became the Ichthys.

This was borrowed from Pagan sources.

The rest of the post showed a major lack of understanding of the entire universe.

Evolution is a scientific fact and a scientific theory.

The real question is How the big bang started, as EVERYTHING evolved less then a trillion of a second after the big bang.

We know have pictures of the early universe before any stars or galaxies or planets existed at all. WE now know how stars, galaxies and planets and solar systems form. They evolve.


"Big Five mass extinction events
Although the Cretaceous-Tertiary (or K-T) extinction event is the most well-known because it wiped out the dinosaurs, a series of other mass extinction events has occurred throughout the history of the Earth, some even more devastating than K-T. Mass extinctions are periods in Earth's history when abnormally large numbers of species die out simultaneously or within a limited time frame. The most severe occurred at the end of the Permian period when 96% of all species perished. This along with K-T are two of the Big Five mass extinctions, each of which wiped out at least half of all species. Many smaller scale mass extinctions have occurred, indeed the disappearance of many animals and plants at the hands of man in prehistoric, historic and modern times will eventually show up in the fossil record as mass extinctions. Discover more about Earth's major extinction events below.




"Permian mass extinction
The Permian mass extinction has been nicknamed The Great Dying, since a staggering 96% of species died out. All life on Earth today is descended from the 4% of species that survived

BBC Nature - Big Five mass extinction events


Evolution is not a religion!!! It has nothing to do with anyones religious beliefs and is supported by every science on the planet.


National Academy of Sciences

"
Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact?

It is both. But that answer requires looking more deeply at the meanings of the words "theory" and "fact."

In everyday usage, "theory" often refers to a hunch or a speculation. When people say, "I have a theory about why that happened," they are often drawing a conclusion based on fragmentary or inconclusive evidence."

Evolution Resources from the National Academies

Compatibility of Science and Religion

Science is not the only way of knowing and understanding. But science is a way of knowing that differs from other ways in its dependence on empirical evidence and testable explanations. Because biological evolution accounts for events that are also central concerns of religion — including the origins of biological diversity and especially the origins of humans — evolution has been a contentious idea within society since it was first articulated by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in 1858.

Acceptance of the evidence for evolution can be compatible with religious faith. Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth’s history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.

Evolution Resources from the National Academies

Excerpts of Statements by Religious Leaders
Who See No Conflict Between Their Faith and Science


Evolution Resources from the National Academies


Excerpts of Statements by Scientists
Who See No Conflict Between Their Faith and Science


Evolution Resources from the National Academies
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Without question, evolution coupled with abiogenesis acts as a religion for many people. It's their creation story. In fact, Darwinism and Christianity are quite analogous.

Aspect: Darwinism (Christianity)

Creator: Nature (God)

Messiah: Darwin (Jesus)

Holy Text: On the Origin of Species (Bible)

Apostles: Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, P.Z. Meyers, etc. (Peter, John, Andrew, etc.)

Celebration of the Messiah's Birth: Darwin Day (Christmas)

Symbolism:
fish.gif




Two other similarities are in the various conventions atheists attend, in which large groups of atheists sit and listen to sermons about Darwinian evolution. Needless to say. these conventions are eerily similar to church.

The other is the obvious emotional investment atheists have in Darwinian evolution; how they defend it, and the vitriolic outrage they espouse at those who doubt it, as if they're heretics.

Anyone who says there's no religious connection between atheism and Darwinian evolution is either ignorant or a liar. It's so obvious that denying it is like denying gravity.

Good lord! Are you trying to reset the standards for intellectual honesty to a new low?
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Without question, evolution coupled with abiogenesis acts as a religion for many people. It's their creation story. In fact, Darwinism and Christianity are quite analogous.

You are forgeting a little truth there.

Evolution has peer reviewed evidence.

Biologists of all religions (including christian) accept evolution as a fact.

Actually, so far I haven´t seen anyone name ONE SINGLE non-christian biologist who believes evolution doesn´t have enough evidence yet.

So I would more say it is christian literalists that have problems with the fact of evolution, and then some other people parodied it by presenting the fact of evolution as a religion.
 

secret2

Member
You are forgeting a little truth there.

Evolution has peer reviewed evidence.

Biologists of all religions (including christian) accept evolution as a fact.

Actually, so far I haven´t seen anyone name ONE SINGLE non-christian biologist who believes evolution doesn´t have enough evidence yet.

So I would more say it is christian literalists that have problems with the fact of evolution, and then some other people parodied it by presenting the fact of evolution as a religion.

Don't you know that the peer review system is a sort of academic hegemony, a grand conspiracy aimed at establishing a New World Order to be governed by the anti christ?
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
[sarcasm]Or that I am to be the head of that new government because I was the first to prostrate myself and grant that anti-christ my soul. Didn't you know that? Wasn't it obvious?[/sarcasm]

I admit that the peer review process grants undue influence to establishment and conservative science, however it is far from your absurd portrayal.

The idea to paint science as religion is one that attempts to overlook the single most important difference between the two - the acknowledgement of imperfection.
 
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Me Myself

Back to my username
Don't you know that the peer review system is a sort of academic hegemony, a grand conspiracy aimed at establishing a New World Order to be governed by the anti christ?

Or that I am to be the head of that new government because I was the first to prostrate myself and grant that anti-christ my soul. Didn't you know that? Wasn't it obvious?
People! Hush!

Blah, it´s just an internet forum anyways.

Just don´t go around saying that in real life :bat:
 
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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Without question, evolution coupled with abiogenesis acts as a religion for many people. It's their creation story. In fact, Darwinism and Christianity are quite analogous.

Aspect: Darwinism (Christianity)

Creator: Nature (God)

Messiah: Darwin (Jesus)

Holy Text: On the Origin of Species (Bible)

Apostles: Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, P.Z. Meyers, etc. (Peter, John, Andrew, etc.)

Celebration of the Messiah's Birth: Darwin Day (Christmas)

Symbolism:
fish.gif




Two other similarities are in the various conventions atheists attend, in which large groups of atheists sit and listen to sermons about Darwinian evolution. Needless to say. these conventions are eerily similar to church.

The other is the obvious emotional investment atheists have in Darwinian evolution; how they defend it, and the vitriolic outrage they espouse at those who doubt it, as if they're heretics.

Anyone who says there's no religious connection between atheism and Darwinian evolution is either ignorant or a liar. It's so obvious that denying it is like denying gravity.
Wow... that's just ... wow... :facepalm:

wa:do
 
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