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Evolution, Atheism, and Religious Beliefs

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Thermos aquaticus

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Again,take note everyone at who made claims and who provided support nobody bothered to refute!

Let's take the supportable positions guys huh? Also, here's a fun pic for your enjoyment showing just how identical we are to other animals

Let's do. Let's not make bare assertions like these:

"Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world."

"Set and consciousness are identical. Set gifted us of his own essence."
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Let's do. Let's not make bare assertions like these:

"Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world."

"Set and consciousness are identical. Set gifted us of his own essence."

Hey everyone also note posts like these:


"Well consciousness is a major disadvantage, which I had thought I discussed. Wasting time, energy, and supplies on art, star gazing, ritual, and so forth is a huge disadvantage for a weak species trying to survive among many strong ones. Evolution is also a natural process whereas consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against it. Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world. Not to mention the way higher consciousness occured was completely contrary to darwinian evolution. It came on extraordinarily fast, into an already evolved species, across the entire species at once, and continues to evolve uniquely in each individual. "

Like a good little materialist this is being ignored by the quote user who goes on to pretend I never presented such argumentation or evidence. This is ALL MATERIALISM HAS, which is why it's adherents behave as such. Thank you!
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
Hey everyone also note posts like these:


"Well consciousness is a major disadvantage, which I had thought I discussed. Wasting time, energy, and supplies on art, star gazing, ritual, and so forth is a huge disadvantage for a weak species trying to survive among many strong ones."

That is not all that consciousness does. It also makes tools, does agriculture, and hunts in groups. Those are very, very helpful things for a weak species like us. Did you miss that the first time I posted it?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
(Some posters I ignore, )

It wasn’t a lack of “patience”, as much as it was anger, that led to your denigration. Threepwood presents sound arguments against CD, that you would prefer to go away. That ires you so, you attack the individual.

What would Bahá’u’lláh say, I wonder?

And you even promote abiogenesis, trying so hard to remove God completely from His creation. Would Bahá’u’lláh agree?

Excerpt From Do the Baha'i Writings on evolution allow for mutation of species within kingdoms but not across kingdoms?:

Evolution as discussed in Bahá'í Writings

As one reads Bahá'í writings on evolution, one comes across a specific line of argument presented by Abdu'l-Bahá that indicates that man from the beginning of its existence has been a distinct species. Adbu'l-Baha uses the analogy of a child growing at womb of mother repeatedly in presenting his arguments. For example we read in the following passage,

"But from the beginning of man's existence he is a distinct species. In the same way, the embryo of man in the womb of the mother was at first in a strange form; then this body passes from shape to shape, from state to state, from form to form, until it appears in utmost beauty and perfection. But even when in the womb of the mother and in this strange form, entirely different from his present form and figure, he is the embryo of the superior species, and not of the animal; his species and essence undergo no change. Now, admitting that the traces of organs which have disappeared actually exist, this is not a proof of the impermanence and the non-originality of the species. At the most it proves that the form, and fashion, and the organs of man have progressed. Man was always a distinct species, a man, not an animal. So, if the embryo of man in the womb of the mother passes from one form to another so that the second form in no way resembles the first, is this a proof that the species has changed? that it was at first an animal, and that its organs progressed and developed until it became a man? No, indeed! How puerile and unfounded is this idea and this thought! For the proof of the originality of the human species, and of the permanency of the nature of man, is clear and evident" [4]
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(The) tree analogy has been used in discussions by materialists on evolution. Neo-Darwinism visualizes a tree-like structure, where it is stipulated that human species and other animal species are branches within its model. It is by using this model that they come to the conclusion that humans evolved from the animal. What Bahá'í writings seem to indicate is that each kingdom has its own separate tree. Within each kingdom one can assume that mutations happened, but mutations between kingdoms is deemed an impossibility.

The impossibility of mutation between kingdoms is specifically mentioned in the Bahá'í scripture.....
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Conclusion

The Bahá'í writings on evolution seem to indicate separate paths of evolution between the mineral, vegetable, animal and human kingdoms. These teachings do not negate the possibility of mutation or transformation within each kingdom. But it seems to state the impossibility of mutation or evolution between kingdoms. This has important implications for study of human development. First one cannot use examples of mutation in animal kingdom to infer a mutation from animal kingdom to human kingdom. Hence this model would be in conformity with most scientific evidence, since most of the proofs cited for evolution involves the mutation paths with animal and vegetable kingdoms. Secondly it puts emphasis in spiritual evolution of humanity. In regards to human's physical attributes it stipulates that we are the same species, thus providing a scientific and moral grounds for elimination of prejudice. Here the different types, or "species" of humankind are its spiritual attributes. The evolution and differences in physical attributes of humans are deemed non-essential and irrelevant to the development of human race. Also to the individual human, it places the emphasis on development to spiritual development where the responsibility of transforming or mutating to a higher form is within the reach of all individuals irrespective of race sex or national origin. Thirdly it provides a holistic prospective for humanity. By looking at whole of humanity as one tree, as Abdu'l-Bahá reminds us in the following passage, one needs to acquires spiritual morals and values that requires us to spend our focus in assisting and regenerating whole of human race.
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[4] Some Answered Questions P. 184

Interesting...the animal kingdom is described as distinct and separate from the “human kingdom”. (Never heard of the human kingdom.)

First, Yes, in the Baha'i writings there is a human kingdom. The big problem here is your selectively citing Baha'i writings without knowing the whole picture on how the Baha'i Faith considers science, and of course, evolution.

Second, Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes that regardless of the appearance of our ancestors in evolution, the intent of evolution was God's Creation of humanity spiritually and physically,

Third, the Baha'i Faith believes in the harmony of science and religion. Science is a form of Revelation concerning the progressive knowledge of the nature of our physical existence. This is the same as Progressive Spiritual Revelation in the religions. As humans spiritually mature, religious teachings evolve in a progressive way.

Fourth, The Baha'i Faith does not consider commentary on science, nor evolution in Baha'i scripture as Revelation. The same is true for commentary on the the nature of our physical existence in the Bible, Quran, nor any other religious scriptures as Revelation. What is written in scripture over the millennia concerning the nature of our physical existence reflects the knowledge of the time. The Baha'i allows and embraces the change and evolution of scientific knowledge.

Revelation in the Baha'i writings consists of Spiritual Teachings, Spiritual Laws, Prayers, and guidance for humanity to meet a changing world.

Fifth, the specific teaching concerning science is that scripture needs to interpreted and understood concerning our physical existence and nature based on the progressive knowledge of science.

Good source: Science and Religion | What Bahá’ís Believe

Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”1Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.

The virtues of humanity are many, but science is the most noble of them all. The distinction which man enjoys above and beyond the station of the animal is due to this paramount virtue. It is a bestowal of God; it is not material; it is divine. Science is an effulgence of the Sun of Reality, the power of investigating and discovering the verities of the universe, the means by which man finds a pathway to God. All the powers and attributes of man are human and hereditary in origin—outcomes of nature’s processes—except the intellect, which is supernatural. Through intellectual and intelligent inquiry science is the discoverer of all things. It unites present and past, reveals the history of bygone nations and events, and confers upon man today the essence of all human knowledge and attainment throughout the ages. By intellectual processes and logical deductions of reason this superpower in man can penetrate the mysteries of the future and anticipate its happenings.

(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace)

There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: that which is contrary to knowledge is ignorance.

(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks)

"t is clear and evident that the growth and development of man on this planet unto his present completeness, even as the growth and development of the embryo in the womb of the mother, has been by degrees and through passing from state to state and from one shape and form to another..."[22]

While `Abdu'l-Bahá states that man progressed through many stages before reaching this present form, `Abdu'l-Bahá states that humans are a distinct species, and not an animal, and that in every stage of evolution through which humans progressed, they were potentially humans.

Possibly more quotes to follow.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Conclusion: Bahá'í scripture is just as unreliable and rooted in ancient myths as any other religious scripture.

Same old, same old.

Beware of agendas of selective citations.

First, Yes, in the Baha'i writings there is a human kingdom. The big problem here is your selectively citing Baha'i writings without knowing the whole picture on how the Baha'i Faith considers science, and of course, evolution.

Second, Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes that regardless of the appearance of our ancestors in evolution, the intent of evolution was God's Creation of humanity spiritually and physically,

Third, the Baha'i Faith believes in the harmony of science and religion. Science is a form of Revelation concerning the progressive knowledge of the nature of our physical existence. This is the same as Progressive Spiritual Revelation in the religions. As humans spiritually mature, religious teachings evolve in a progressive way.

Fourth, The Baha'i Faith does not consider commentary on science, nor evolution in Baha'i scripture as Revelation. The same is true for commentary on the the nature of our physical existence in the Bible, Quran, nor any other religious scriptures as Revelation. What is written in scripture over the millennia concerning the nature of our physical existence reflects the knowledge of the time. The Baha'i allows and embraces the change and evolution of scientific knowledge.

Revelation in the Baha'i writings consists of Spiritual Teachings, Spiritual Laws, Prayers, and guidance for humanity to meet a changing world.

Fifth, the specific teaching concerning science is that scripture needs to interpreted and understood concerning our physical existence and nature based on the progressive knowledge of science.

Good source: Science and Religion | What Bahá’ís Believe

Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”1Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.

The virtues of humanity are many, but science is the most noble of them all. The distinction which man enjoys above and beyond the station of the animal is due to this paramount virtue. It is a bestowal of God; it is not material; it is divine. Science is an effulgence of the Sun of Reality, the power of investigating and discovering the verities of the universe, the means by which man finds a pathway to God. All the powers and attributes of man are human and hereditary in origin—outcomes of nature’s processes—except the intellect, which is supernatural. Through intellectual and intelligent inquiry science is the discoverer of all things. It unites present and past, reveals the history of bygone nations and events, and confers upon man today the essence of all human knowledge and attainment throughout the ages. By intellectual processes and logical deductions of reason this superpower in man can penetrate the mysteries of the future and anticipate its happenings.

(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace)

There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: that which is contrary to knowledge is ignorance.

(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks)

"t is clear and evident that the growth and development of man on this planet unto his present completeness, even as the growth and development of the embryo in the womb of the mother, has been by degrees and through passing from state to state and from one shape and form to another..."[22]

While `Abdu'l-Bahá states that man progressed through many stages before reaching this present form, `Abdu'l-Bahá states that humans are a distinct species, and not an animal, and that in every stage of evolution through which humans progressed, they were potentially humans.

Possibly more quotes to follow.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
consciousness is a major disadvantage, which I had thought I discussed.

I don't recall that discussion, and can't imagine any sense in which consciousness confers a competitive disadvantage to a species or individual.

Evolution is also a natural process whereas consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against it. Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world. Not to mention the way higher consciousness occured was completely contrary to darwinian evolution. It came on extraordinarily fast, into an already evolved species, across the entire species at once, and continues to evolve uniquely in each individual.

"Consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against" evolution? You keep repeating that consciousness somehow contradicts evolutionary theory. and that consciousness transcends material reality. Can you also provide a reason to believe either of those counterintuitive claims? Skeptics require reasons to believe.

Set and consciousness are identical. Set gifted us of his own essence.

That's a religious belief. Like I said, skeptics need a reason to believe.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
That's your concept of logic. That's the concept of logic of a puny human brain. For some reason, you believe that you can grasp the abilities of a god. EGO!

That's what logic IS--a construct of puny human brains. God gave us a brain capable of grasping those concepts about God that God would like us to grasp. That may not be a full understanding of God, but it's enough to understand logical principles that apply to God--and that's what we're talking about here.

I'm OK with all-powerful equaling omnipotent.

No you're not; read what you write.

You are the one who keeps hedging on the meaning.

No I'm not; read what I wrote.

You are the one who keeps insisting that an all-powerful onmnipotent god is not all-powerful and omnipotent.

Nonsense; I have said no such thing. You are the one who keeps insisting that an all-powerful god can do things that can't be done even with any amount of power, which is patently absurd.

There isn't anything more than that. That you can even suggest that proves you do not understanding the meanings of all-powerful onmnipotent. There is nothing more than infinity.

That you can even suggest that proves you do not understand the meaning of all-powerful or omnipotent. It's not that more POWER is required to make a four-sided triangle, it's that something OTHER than power would be required to make a four-sided triangle. That's why you keep trying to make "all-powerful" into something more than it is--not because you're trying to make it into "more than infinite" power, but because you're trying to insist that omnipotence trumps power entirely, and allows one to do anything whatsoever, even logically inconsistent things that cannot be done with any amount of power.

All-powerful onmnipotent means all-powerful onmnipotent. It does not mean all-powerful onmnipotent except as limited by Axe Elf's (or any other human's) concept of logic.

Nor does it mean something MORE than all-powerful, like being able to do things that cannot be done with power. It just means all-powerful, and nothing more, and nothing less.

I can talk about Micky Mouse, That doesn't make Micky Mouse real.

Nor does talking about God make God real. But it does mean the same for Mickey Mouse that it means for God--that we can understand some concepts about either of these entities.

I do understand your problem. Man invented gods. The men who invented your god decided to make him better than all other gods. They decided he was the only god. They decided they would attribute things like omnipotence and omniscience to him.

Or, they realized these things about God and passed them on to us. But you are entitled to whichever religious beliefs suit you.

They didn't think about consequences of what they were doing. Maybe they just figured no one would ever question it. I'm not the first person in the world to do so. Many others have written about the conflict between omnipotence and big rocks and between omniscience and free will.

The problem isn't with questioning--we are all commanded to do so--the problem is with not understanding the answer once it has been given. Then you go from innocent ignorance to willful ignorance. That's basically the canoe you are paddling when you try to make words mean things they don't mean, just to maintain a religious belief.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Hey everyone also note posts like these:


"Well consciousness is a major disadvantage, which I had thought I discussed. Wasting time, energy, and supplies on art, star gazing, ritual, and so forth is a huge disadvantage for a weak species trying to survive among many strong ones. Evolution is also a natural process whereas consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against it. Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world. Not to mention the way higher consciousness occured was completely contrary to darwinian evolution. It came on extraordinarily fast, into an already evolved species, across the entire species at once, and continues to evolve uniquely in each individual. "

Like a good little materialist this is being ignored by the quote user who goes on to pretend I never presented such argumentation or evidence. This is ALL MATERIALISM HAS, which is why it's adherents behave as such. Thank you!

This % of everyone calls used cow food to the above.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
First off, I'd like to thank you for your kind and patient response...it took some time to write that. Sans ad hominem, I appreciate that.

There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: th

Of course, my view is that true religion, or accurate religion, is based on the Bible. So when there is a conflict between the Bible and science, i.e., the interpretations of them both, don't agree, then someone's interpretation is faulty. Since accurate science is also truth (& all truth is in harmony), I think the currently accepted interpretations for Descent with Modification -- and MACROevolution in general -- is inaccurate....on many levels, according to the Scriptures: not only does it deny Jehovah God's creatorship, it negates the value of Jesus' sacrifice redeeming humans from their forefather Adam's sin.

I also know the importance of what Revelation 12:9 says, and the impact that has had on humanity. (Verse 12)
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
That is not all that consciousness does. It also makes tools, does agriculture, and hunts in groups. Those are very, very helpful things for a weak species like us. Did you miss that the first time I posted it?

Haha, plenty of species use tools and hunt without higher consciousness. They don't create art, religion, technology. The fault is likely mine, for not differentiating between basic conscious existence and higher consciousness, or "isolate intelligence."

I don't recall that discussion, and can't imagine any sense in which consciousness confers a competitive disadvantage to a species or individual.

I've talked to you many times and believe you to be rather intelligent, yet now you claim you can't see how a nights watchmen in the wilderness focusing on the stars instead of looking for predators is an evolutionary disadvantage? Experience tells me you're intentionally playing unintelligent because you don't have a better point.

"Consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against" evolution? You keep repeating that consciousness somehow contradicts evolutionary theory. and that consciousness transcends material reality. Can you also provide a reason to believe either of those counterintuitive claims?

Imagine that! For the third time now!

"Wastingtime, energy, and supplies on art, star gazing, ritual, and so forth is a huge disadvantage for a weak species trying to survive among many strong ones. Evolution is also a natural process whereas consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against it. Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world.** Not to mention the way higher consciousness occured was completely contrary to darwinian evolution. It came on extraordinarily fast, into an already evolved species, across the entire species at once, and continues to evolve uniquely in each individual."

** I should have elaborated that this is because time, the fourth dimension, is simply the measurement of movement within 3D space, the world of matter. So an outside observer to this must reasonable outside of those 4 dimensions, for otherwise how could it be an outside observer?



Skeptics require reasons to believe.

Did you, a Materialist, just call yourself a skeptic? Hahahahahaha I've heard this before and it's literally the funniest thing you can hear in philosophy. You guys literally reject axioms, and subsitute that which we know for that which we know through it, just to hold onto your absurd faith. Like Jesus, even flat earthers and creationists are more "skeptical".

That's a religious belief. Like I said, skeptics need a reason to believe.

I agree, and here you are, a person who holds a metaphysical view that contradicts all known logic and all known science. Maybe try even looking into skepticism? You may be surprised the first thing they doubt is the senses!
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Conclusion: Bahá'í scripture is just as unreliable and rooted in ancient myths as any other religious scripture.

Beware of agendas of selective citations.

First, Yes, in the Baha'i writings there is a human kingdom. The big problem here is your selectively citing Baha'i writings without knowing the whole picture on how the Baha'i Faith considers science, and of course, evolution.
Uh, excuse me? I didn't selectively cite Baha'i writings in the post you responded to.

You are the one posting quotes.


Second, Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes that regardless of the appearance of our ancestors in evolution, the intent of evolution was God's Creation of humanity spiritually and physically,
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There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: that which is contrary to knowledge is ignorance.
Science does not posit a creator. Religions posit a creator. That is a very big contradiction.

Possibly more quotes to follow.
Show of hands...how many people are reading the quotes posted by shunyadragon?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Uh, excuse me? I didn't selectively cite Baha'i writings in the post you responded to.

You are the one posting quotes.



Science does not posit a creator. Religions posit a creator. That is a very big contradiction.


Show of hands...how many people are reading the quotes posted by shunyadragon?

Yes, science in and of itself does not posit religion. The Bah'i Faith believes in the harmony of science and religion.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
First off, I'd like to thank you for your kind and patient response...it took some time to write that. Sans ad hominem, I appreciate that.



Of course, my view is that true religion, or accurate religion, is based on the Bible. So when there is a conflict between the Bible and science, i.e., the interpretations of them both, don't agree, then someone's interpretation is faulty. Since accurate science is also truth (& all truth is in harmony), I think the currently accepted interpretations for Descent with Modification -- and MACROevolution in general -- is inaccurate....on many levels, according to the Scriptures: not only does it deny Jehovah God's creatorship, it negates the value of Jesus' sacrifice redeeming humans from their forefather Adam's sin.

I also know the importance of what Revelation 12:9 says, and the impact that has had on humanity. (Verse 12)

The Baha'i Faith accepts physical understanding of evolution, but the underlying intent of physical Creation is the spiritual evolution of humanity.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
That you can even suggest that proves you do not understand the meaning of all-powerful or omnipotent. It's not that more POWER is required to make a four-sided triangle, it's that something OTHER than power would be required to make a four-sided triangle.

pow·er
ˈpou(ə)r/
noun
1.
the ability to do something or act in a particular way, especially as a faculty or quality.
"the power of speech"
You are somehow stuck in a rut where you are equating power only with strength. I get it. I really do. It's the only out you have left.


om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.

Did you notice the deity reference on the definition of the OMNI word? That's the key to your whole conundrum. The folks who made up your god decided they wanted to make him a bigger, better bada$$ than all the other gods combined. So they made him an OMNI-ALL god. Now you're stuck trying to made sense of it all. You can't because you have to cling to the whole god thing.





 

ecco

Veteran Member
Nor does talking about God make God real. But it does mean the same for Mickey Mouse that it means for God--that we can understand some concepts about either of these entities.
Yep, we sure can. Both are the creations of man's imaginings. Both have been endowed by their creators with certain attributes.

Can a mouse really whistle a tune while piloting a riverboat? Have you ever seen the mouth of a mouse. It's impossible for a mouse to whistle. You don't believe it, yet you believe something even more far fetched - that your omni-all god really exists and is (sorta') impotent.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't recall that discussion, and can't imagine any sense in which consciousness confers a competitive disadvantage to a species or individual.

I've talked to you many times and believe you to be rather intelligent, yet now you claim you can't see how a nights watchmen in the wilderness focusing on the stars instead of looking for predators is an evolutionary disadvantage? Experience tells me you're intentionally playing unintelligent because you don't have a better point.

Thank you for the kind words.

So this person would be at a competitive advantage if he were unconscious? Looking for predators requires consciousness. I still can't imagine any sense in which consciousness confers a competitive disadvantage to a species or individual, or worded differently, that consciousness does not confer a competitive advantage.

"Consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against" evolution? You keep repeating that consciousness somehow contradicts evolutionary theory. and that consciousness transcends material reality. Can you also provide a reason to believe either of those counterintuitive claims? Skeptics require reasons to believe.

Imagine that! For the third time now!

"Wastingtime, energy, and supplies on art, star gazing, ritual, and so forth is a huge disadvantage for a weak species trying to survive among many strong ones. Evolution is also a natural process whereas consciousness is something that questions, manipulates, and goes against it. Just the fact that we observe and experience times shows that consciousness is outside of the material world.** Not to mention the way higher consciousness occured was completely contrary to darwinian evolution. It came on extraordinarily fast, into an already evolved species, across the entire species at once, and continues to evolve uniquely in each individual."

** I should have elaborated that this is because time, the fourth dimension, is simply the measurement of movement within 3D space, the world of matter. So an outside observer to this must reasonable outside of those 4 dimensions, for otherwise how could it be an outside observer?

I still don't see any argument against consciousness evolving.

skeptics need a reason to believe.

Did you, a Materialist, just call yourself a skeptic? Hahahahahaha I've heard this before and it's literally the funniest thing you can hear in philosophy. You guys literally reject axioms, and subsitute that which we know for that which we know through it, just to hold onto your absurd faith. Like Jesus, even flat earthers and creationists are more "skeptical".

I am not a materialist. I am agnostic regarding the relationship of mind to matter. My preference is for neutral monism, not materialism, but that's just an intuition that I can't defend beyond laying out the many unifications in the history of science (mass and energy, space and time, particle and wave, electricity and magnetism, energy and mass, etc.), and adding that this may be one more - mind and matter are two aspects of the same substance. But as I said, this is just a compelling idea that I can't defend, and so don't. Matter may be the fundamental reality. Or mind, Or neither. That's what I meant by agnostic in this context.

Also, I have no faith (unjustified belief) precisely because I am a skeptic who understands that faith is a logical error, not a virtue. I learned long ago the proper way to determine what is the case about reality insofar as that can be known - reason applied to evidence. This is how we determine which ideas work and which need to be tweaked or discarded

The evidence that I have done that adequately is the smooth life I have lived in which virtually all avoidable pitfalls were avoided after a certain age. Some of that is luck, but some is due to a correct understanding of my world. Some of my friends don't so as well. Their lives are continually shrouded in conflict and chaos. Some haven't taken care of their health, some are living on an economic precipice, some are alone involuntarily

Still, I need a reason to believe. You wrote, "Set and consciousness are identical. Set gifted us of his own essence."I have no reason to believe that, so I don't. That's skepticism.

That's a religious belief. Like I said, skeptics need a reason to believe.

I agree, and here you are, a person who holds a metaphysical view that contradicts all known logic and all known science. Maybe try even looking into skepticism? You may be surprised the first thing they doubt is the senses!

I'm quite familiar with skepticism, and I understand the limitations of the senses.

And thanks for your philosophical and life advice, but I'm really not in the market for any. As I indicated, I've found a worldview that has worked quite well for me.
 
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