Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[Bunyip]

Do you mean like a white and a negro ?

No. Causasians and Negros are the same species.

 

[Bunyip]

One is not trying to make contact with a stone,
One is trying to make contact with another brain just as we
are all conscious/aware persons, carrying out our own desires and
acting them out through physical bodies with results that impact others.

In the same way other conscious/aware persons carry out their own desires
through physical bodies with results that impact on us.

Because an accepted scientific theory is not known or in affect or seen physically, it does not mean that a correlation between consciousness and our physical material world does not indeed exist in some way, shape or form. It's impossible to have laws of quantum science without consciousness, and most importantly because anyone doing anything has to be conscious in the first place.

Hypothetically, if it's the physical brain that makes the human aware and alive... Then it's creator, albeit the universe, nature, God ...must be a larger physical brain that is aware and alive.

The similarities to the human brain and the cosmos are abundant. If there is no connection between the brain and the universe, that would be one thing, but if they are the same then there is no reason we cannot make contact. Already experienced.

One is either curious for knowledge or genuinely cares for the future of man/mindkind. Either way, the only thing can change mankind would happen internally and spiritually, not physically. Religion makes this mistake, as well as much of science, and most of the world, material and physical. Same delusion of culprits. The physical.

We don't sustain the universe's life. The universe sustains ours.

Either way, whether it's higher intelligence, universe, nature... We conform to its rules, and our freewill is very limited.

We are creators ourselves carrying out creation through our consciousness, intelligence, brains, and minds. We collectively create, through the bodies we were given, and not chosen ourselves.

The body one resides in isn't their own, the knowledge and ability of one isn't their own doing, and being conscious wasn't ones own doing.
Such is true: yar what yar and not by choice or ones own selection.

"You die, you rot... End of story".... Most unsubstantiated claim of all. You've never experienced death, or rotting or an end of story.

Sure, consciousness repeats. That which was, is, and is to come. Life.

Erm.....buddy, of course death and decay is 'substantiated' - what a strange thing to deny. We can and have observed the death and decay of organisms. How could you possibly imagine that b to be unsubstantiated?

 

[Bunyip]

Thanks for the reply, friend.

Here's how I know it:

Human beings are not descended from a lower form of animal.

As far as human bodies are concerned...

That's another story.

Human bodies are animal.

Human bodies are animal and have many characteristics in common with the lower forms via genetics etc.

Evolution applies to human bodies.

GOD

The Human BEING was created by God to enter in the body when it has evolved to the proper status.

This is where so many err.

There is a BIG difference between a human BEING and a human BODY.

The same difference as a car and it's driver.

A human body evolves and a human being is created by God.

In other words:

Evolution IS intelligent design.

No, not at all. Intelligent design was a fraud invented by the Discovery Institute to try to disguise young earth creationism as science.

 

[Unification]

Erm.....buddy, of course death and decay is 'substantiated' - what a strange thing to deny. We can and have observed the death and decay of organisms. How could you possibly imagine that b to be unsubstantiated?

Of course, the physical matter does.

 

[Bunyip]

Of course, the physical matter does.

Then why did you deny it? What other sort of 'matter' do you imagine is relevant by the way?

 

[Unification]

No, not at all. Intelligent design was a fraud invented by the Discovery Institute to try to disguise young earth creationism as science.

Essentially, it doesn't matter. As long as mindkind has a mind, much out there is fraud. It's all about love and peace and truth. Anything else is ego driven, power, control, agenda, bias, whose knowledge is bigger... None of that matters.

 

[Bunyip]

Essentially, it doesn't matter. As long as mindkind has a mind, much out there is fraud. It's all about love and peace and truth. Anything else is ego driven, power, control, agenda, bias, whose knowledge is bigger... None of that matters.

How can it not matter that ID is a fraud?

 

[Unification]

Then why did you deny it? What other sort of 'matter' do you imagine is relevant by the way?

Our lives should not be governed by what we experience through our waking conscious or the material world. For most people, this is exactly what governs them. That is why there is so much suffering in the world. This illusion of separation that our waking conscious gives rise to is so believable, but is it the ultimate truth? The ego says it is.

I'm not denying anything science. I'm combining science with spiritual. Concerned with that which is and reality and the NOW.

 

[Unification]

How can it not matter that ID is a fraud?

I know the transformation, higher conscious and awareness "God" has brought to me, and how what "God" can do for anyone who denies themselves. The world is a mess. It's a fraud just because someone else hasn't experienced anything within themselves, when the real fraud is everything physical and material, as well as religion and dogma.

 

[Bunyip]

I know the transformation, higher conscious and awareness "God" has brought to me, and how what "God" can do for anyone who denies themselves. The world is a mess. It's a fraud just because someone else hasn't experienced anything within themselves, when the real fraud is everything physical and material, as well as religion and dogma.

What has that got to do with the topic?

 

[McBell]

What has that got to do with the topic?

IT'S A TRAP!!​

 

[Unification]

What has that got to do with the topic?

It matters significantly. The physical animal realm is not a place one should want to evolve in over and over, or as a place our children grow in. Why and what purpose would that matter to one who just dies and rots, and wastes the opportunity as a human?

 

[Bunyip]

It matters significantly. The physical animal realm is not a place one should want to evolve in over and over, or as a place our children grow in. Why and what purpose would that matter to one who just dies and rots, and wastes the opportunity as a human?

What has the fact the we die and rot got to do with purpose?

 

[Unification]

What has the fact the we die and rot got to do with purpose?

We just got out of the food chain ten thousand years ago. Going back into it is the biggest mistake possible, and is exactly where most of mankind is heading. . Back to water. Scripture calls this hell. Darkness, abyss, worms, sulfur, water (the lake), an unquenchable fire, a deep pit, cold, etc.

There are plenty of animals ready to evolve into humans again for another stab at finding the truth about themselves and their purpose.

Someone has to be bacteria, a lot of some ones. There are more bacteria than there are human beings, a lot more. Why are they where they are, and why are you where you are?

What did they do to get where they are? What did we do to get where we are? We did not do anything and they did not do anything. We are both just animal life forms in different places in the evolutionary cycle on Earth.

A life form can really only do one thing that matters, and that is to learn the truth and the life and become a spiritual being. We can only do it where we are now.

Only thing that separates us from animals is the rational mind to discover the truth and purpose of our lives, most are just too busy wasting it on irrelevant things, pointless theory of everything's, stroking/inflating ones ego, and arguing and devouring one another, or enjoying the material.

 

[FearGod]

No. Causasians and Negros are the same species.

What ?
Why, did the fruit flies evolved to birds ?

 

[FearGod]

The first thing that you have to recognize is that there is an animal that have both gills and lungs. The Australian lungfish can respire through its gills. In other lungfish species, the gills are too atrophied to allow for adequate gas exchange. When a lungfish is obtaining oxygen from its gills, its circulatory system is configured similarly to the common fish.

One of the advantage of becoming terrestrial is access to the much oxygen richer atmosphere, water carries much less oxygen and thus can not support higher oxygen demands. For example: The reason whales and dolphins don't have gills is that a litre of air at sea level contains 210 millilitres of oxygen; a litre of seawater at 25 °C contains at most 5ml. What this means is that you need to pass roughly 40 times as much water through gills than air through lungs, in volume terms, to get the same amount of oxygen. In energy terms, things look even worse: for every gram of oxygen, air breathers have to move 3.5 grams of air, whereas those relying on gills have to move 100,000 grams of a much more viscus fluid. So, an animal that uses lungs will require a higher level of oxygenation than gills are capable of.

With thanks to: Short Sharp Science: Why whales don't have gills

So which evolved first, the respiratory system or the other organs which needs more oxygen or both evolved simultaneously in perfect harmony,

 

[Bunyip]

What ?
Why, did the fruit flies evolved to birds ?

They didn't.

 

[FearGod]

They didn't.

So still it's fly.

 

[Bunyip]

So still it's fly.

Just as you are still a primate, so what?

 

[FearGod]

Just as you are still a primate, so what?

Can we say for example that you and the pig are the same kind just because of labeling them as primates ?