Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[psychoslice]

So which evolved first, the respiratory system or the other organs which needs more oxygen or both evolved simultaneously in perfect harmony,

Well why don't you tell as all ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Can we say for example that you and the pig are the same kind just because of labeling them as primates ?

You and the pig are one, just different angles is what makes it seem different or separate.

 

[LuisDantas]

Our lives should not be governed by what we experience through our waking conscious or the material world. For most people, this is exactly what governs them. That is why there is so much suffering in the world. This illusion of separation that our waking conscious gives rise to is so believable, but is it the ultimate truth? The ego says it is.

I'm not denying anything science. I'm combining science with spiritual. Concerned with that which is and reality and the NOW.

You... are saying that spirituality allows one to ignore facts? Or something like that?

 

[Sapiens]

So which evolved first, the respiratory system or the other organs which needs more oxygen or both evolved simultaneously in perfect harmony,

What other organs are you talking about? The brain which has the highest oxygen demand? The answer then is the respiratory system.

 

[LuisDantas]

What ?

All humans are the same species. Caucasians, Negroids, Mongols and other subgroups are in biological terminology subespecies of humans.

The main reason to say so is because there is interfertility among those groups - which is technical parlance to say that all human races can mate and have fertile offspring.

As a matter of fact, there is considerable evidence that we are at least arguably the same species as Neanderthals as well.

Why, did the fruit flies evolved to birds ?

No. They split their speciation trees a long time ago.

 

[LuisDantas]

We just got out of the food chain ten thousand years ago.

We did? Someone must have mislead all the people I know, including myself. We sure feel like we need to eat.

 

[LuisDantas]

Can we say for example that you and the pig are the same kind just because of labeling them as primates ?

We can say anything. Whether that what we say means anything is a matter of how serious we are and what evidence and meaning we use.

 

[FearGod]

You and the pig are one, just different angles is what makes it seem different or separate.

I don't believe on that, it's only you and the evolutionists who believe that you and the pigs are one, creationists believe that they are created by God and not evolved directly from filthy animals such as the pigs or monkeys..etc, sorry you can be proud yourself for being cousins with the monkeys but not me.

 

[psychoslice]

We are the food chain, its just that we worked out ideas to keep ourselves from been eaten.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't believe on that, it's only you and the evolutionists who believe that you and the bigs are one, creationists believe that they are created by God and not evolved directly from filthy animals such as the pigs or monkeys..etc, sorry you can be proud yourself for being cousins with the monkeys but not me.

Actually, what he said is not valid from a biological perspective.

 

[Sapiens]

One is not trying to make contact with a stone,
One is trying to make contact with another brain just as we
are all conscious/aware persons, carrying out our own desires and
acting them out through physical bodies with results that impact others.

Unsubstantiated claim.

One is not trying to make contact with a stone,
In the same way other conscious/aware persons carry out their own desires
through physical bodies with results that impact on us.

Unsubstantiated claim.

Because an accepted scientific theory is not known or in affect or seen physically, it does not mean that a correlation between consciousness and our physical material world does not indeed exist in some way, shape or form. It's impossible to have laws of quantum science without consciousness, and most importantly because anyone doing anything has to be conscious in the first place.

Unsubstantiated claim.

Hypothetically, if it's the physical brain that makes the human aware and alive... Then it's creator, albeit the universe, nature, God ...must be a larger physical brain that is aware and alive.

Hypothetically if my grandma had two wheels she'd be a bicycle ... no god(s) need apply.

The similarities to the human brain and the cosmos are abundant. If there is no connection between the brain and the universe, that would be one thing, but if they are the same then there is no reason we cannot make contact. Already experienced.

Unsubstantiated claim, personal delusion.

One is either curious for knowledge or genuinely cares for the future of man/mindkind. Either way, the only thing can change mankind would happen internally and spiritually, not physically. Religion makes this mistake, as well as much of science, and most of the world, material and physical. Same delusion of culprits. The physical.

Unsubstantiated claim with a significant admixture of horse puckey.

We don't sustain the universe's life. The universe sustains ours.

Agreed, so what?

Either way, whether it's higher intelligence, universe, nature... We conform to its rules, and our freewill is very limited.

Semantically nonsense.

We are creators ourselves carrying out creation through our consciousness, intelligence, brains, and minds. We collectively create, through the bodies we were given, and not chosen ourselves.

again, so what?

The body one resides in isn't their own, the knowledge and ability of one isn't their own doing, and being conscious wasn't ones own doing.
Such is true: yar what yar and not by choice or ones own selection.

It is not "your own" in the sense that it was assembled through unskilled labor and will be disassembled by the little makers ... what's your point?

"You die, you rot... End of story".... Most unsubstantiated claim of all. You've never experienced death, or rotting or an end of story.

I've seen more of it than most and the rotting and the end of story ... I've not experienced it, but then, no body does.

Sure, consciousness repeats. That which was, is, and is to come. Life.

[/quote]Unsubstantiated claim. In point of fact you are not what your parent were and your offspring are not what you are ... that the way evolution works.

 

[FearGod]

What other organs are you talking about? The brain which has the highest oxygen demand? The answer then is the respiratory system.

Then why the respiratory system evolved while the other organs not evolved yet, how beneficial then ?!

 

[FearGod]

We are the food chain, its just that we worked out ideas to keep ourselves from been eaten.

We're only food chain, i think that's how you think, try to think that life isn't just food.

 

[Bunyip]

Can we say for example that you and the pig are the same kind just because of labeling them as primates ?

No, because pigs are not primates.

 

[psychoslice]

We're only food chain, i think that's how you think, try to think that life isn't just food.

But life is food, what's wrong in that ?.

 

[FearGod]

But life is food, what's wrong in that ?.

That's how you think of it, and i think this is the main difference between humans and animals.

 

[psychoslice]

That's how you think of it, and i think this is the main difference between humans and animals.

We are animals thinking we aren't, get off your pedestal and see what truly is in front of you.

 

[FearGod]

No, because pigs are not primates.

Ah sorry, the monkeys

 

[psychoslice]

And look how much we look as a primate, of course we came from there.

 

[FearGod]

We are animals thinking we aren't, get off your pedestal and see what truly is in front of you.

I don't agree with you.