Evolution couldn't be true

[Parsimony]

The commentator was trying to discredit me by using this example (cow to whale) but it is a widely accepted "fact" in the athiest world.

Please give a source which claims that whales evolved from cows. That certainly isn't the common view in modern science. Also, there are many religious people who accept evolution. It isn't an "atheist-only" thing.

 

[Norrin-6-]

Most Christians accept evolution, if we're going to play it by vote.

 

[pro4life]

Please give a source which claims that whales evolved from cows. That certainly isn't the common view in modern science. Also, there are many religious people who accept evolution. It isn't an "atheist-only" thing.

There simply are no transitional forms in the fossil record between the marine mammals and their supposed land mammal ancestors . . . It is quite entertaining, starting with cows, pigs, or buffaloes, to attempt to visualize what the intermediates may have looked life. Starting with a cow, one could even imagine one line of descent which prematurely became extinct, due to what might be called an “udder failure” (Gish 1985: 78-9).

 

[pro4life]

Most Christians accept evolution, if we're going to play it by vote.

Those are athiests that were born christian.

 

[Norrin-6-]

Those are athiests that were born christian.

They are Christians who still vehemently believe in God.

 

[The Hammer]

There is no benefit for humans to lose a crucial skill! Rats-on the other hand- are able to synthesize vitamin C and rats are very close on the "lineage" tree of evolution.

If that were true, then why is it that taking certain drugs like alcohol, that temporarily raises our ability to absorb endorphins thus making us feel euphoric for extended periods of time; eventually leads to depression, in which the body is unable to make the crucial chemical needed to endure happiness without the mind altering substance being present?
We lost the ability to synthesize it because we eat lots of foods that have naturally occurring vitamin C, and in turn after doing it for so long, our body has lost the ability to reboot that process back, and through multiple generations of reproducing, has become a permanent part of our genetic make up.
Much the same way a chronic/relapsing alcoholic can become a Chronic Depressive, even long after they have sobered up.

 

[Parsimony]

There simply are no transitional forms in the fossil record between the marine mammals and their supposed land mammal ancestors . . . It is quite entertaining, starting with cows, pigs, or buffaloes, to attempt to visualize what the intermediates may have looked life. Starting with a cow, one could even imagine one line of descent which prematurely became extinct, due to what might be called an “udder failure” (Gish 1985: 78-9).

No, I asked you for a source which backed up your claim that atheists believe that whales evolved from cows.

Those are athiests that were born christian.

You don't get to decide who does or who does not believe that God exists. Deists usually have no problem with evolution.

 

[pro4life]

If that were true, then why is it that taking certain drugs like alcohol, that temporarily raises our ability to absorb endorphins thus making us feel euphoric for extended periods of time; eventually leads to depression, in which the body is unable to make the crucial chemical needed to endure happiness without the mind altering substance being present?
We lost the ability to synthesize it because we eat lots of foods that have naturally occurring vitamin C, and in turn after doing it for so long, our body has lost the ability to reboot that process back, and through multiple generations of reproducing, has become a permanent part of our genetic make up.
Much the same way a chronic/relapsing alcoholic can become a Chronic Depressive, even long after they have sobered up.

It happens so that Rats eat foods that are plenty with vitamin C. If you are saying that we are closely related to rats 99% genetic similarity. Why haven't they lost their ability?

 

[Parsimony]

As for your claim that there are no beneficial mutations, perhaps you should read up on what causes HIV to become resistant to the anti-viral drug AZT (hint, it's a mutation).

 

[Ouroboros]

Please give a source which claims that whales evolved from cows. That certainly isn't the common view in modern science. Also, there are many religious people who accept evolution. It isn't an "atheist-only" thing.

Oh, *doh* I didn't think of it. That's right. Cows didn't evolve to whales. I'm such a id:10-t sometimes.

 

[Skwim]

That is your opinion and your entitled to it.

But what else could explain your obtuse ignorance after having "taken many evolution courses"? If it isn't having fallen asleep in class, what was it?

 

[Ouroboros]

Accidentally, I saw he quoted Gish...

Another Gish-gallop student I see. It's easy to take those classes in evolution. Just read Genesis 1 and 2 over and over again.

 

[The Hammer]

It happens so that Rats eat foods that are plenty with vitamin C. If you are saying that we are closely related to rats 99% genetic similarity. Why haven't they lost their ability?

All that proves is that our ancestors had a genetic mutation that caused us to lose the ability to create our own Vit C. Either that or our common ancestors never had that ability to begin with. Do you have a more closely linked genetic organism to us then a rat, as reference? Like Chimp or Bonobo, which also cannot produce Vit C.

And by the way, we contain the gene to produce vitamin C, which just lost the ability to do so through mutation.

 

[Bunyip]

There simply are no transitional forms in the fossil record between the marine mammals and their supposed land mammal ancestors . . . It is quite entertaining, starting with cows, pigs, or buffaloes, to attempt to visualize what the intermediates may have looked life. Starting with a cow, one could even imagine one line of descent which prematurely became extinct, due to what might be called an “udder failure” (Gish 1985: 78-9).

Of course there are transitional forms between the whales and their terrestrial ancestors - in fact that is one of the best evidenced evolutionary sequences, we have at least 18 transitional stages for whale evolution.

 

[The Hammer]

It happens so that Rats eat foods that are plenty with vitamin C. If you are saying that we are closely related to rats 99% genetic similarity. Why haven't they lost their ability?

Vitamin C biosynthesis | Learn Science at Scitable

Here, try reading this. It might help explain some things.

 

[Iti oj]

 

[Sunstone]

Hello folks,

I would like to present myself as a person who have studied the idea of evolution from its scientific aspect to the reasoning aspect.

Evolution to the laymen is an idea that confers the relationship between the advancement of human specie to the more primitive "forefathers". If this was to be true that humans have evolved to a level that totally exceeds other species then we have to study the situation real close.
A specific example I would like to point out is the essential vitamins that humans have to take. Vitamin C for example have to be procured from food since our bodies cannot synthesize such material. On the other hand, rats (more primitive specie), Have the ability to synthesize vitamin C.

I think its about time we have to distinguish between the idea between adaptation (true) and evolution (false).

There is nothing in the Theory of Evolution that states or implies evolution is progressive. I think you might want to study the Theory a bit more.

 

[LuisDantas]

Those are athiests that were born christian.

I strongly advise you to recheck your conceptions of evolution (you seem to be assuming that the spiritualist view of that concept is somehow defended by science) and of atheism.

It would not help to listen to a bit less propaganda, either.

 

[LuisDantas]

That is your opinion and your entitled to it.

At this point it is hardly an opinion. It is just an acknowledgement of what is seen.

 

[Valjean]

Do you use guinea pigs in your rat lab? Guinea pigs can't synthesize Vitamin C, but your rats can. What do you make of that?

Wouldn't the loss of an unnecessary but metabolically costly trait be perfectly understandable?

Why do you say rats are more primitive than people?