Evolution couldn't be true

[Ouroboros]

Why do you say rats are more primitive than people?

Your question got me to check how many rats there are in the world.

I saw some estimate that there's at least one rate per person in the world, which means they're at least just as successful as humans.

 

[Valjean]

They've certainly been around a lot longer and, considering that we're rapidly engineering our own extinction, they may prove much more successful.

Physiologically humans and rats are practically identical.
Anatomically there are just different sizes and proportions.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Would the rats ability to synthesise vitamin c make it more evolved than humans?

What about a fish (which is such a nebulous term, biologically, that it is almost useless) it can breathe under water. Does that make it more evolved than humans.

 

[Valjean]

Would the rats ability to synthesise vitamin c make it more evolved than humans?

We used to have the ability, but we lost it. Wouldn't that would make us "more evolved" (changed).

 

[The Neo Nerd]

We used to have the ability, but we lost it. Wouldn't that would make us "more evolved" (changed).

I was using his logic.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sometimes I wonder if most of these creationists aren't actually people, but rather automated scipts made by some programming student to troll forums.

 

[Iti oj]

That's my conclusion.

Sometimes I wonder if these creationists aren't actually people, but rather automated scipts made by some programming student to troll forums.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am in the business of mutations, that's what I do for a living.
As for natural selection, many people have different meanings on that, whats yours?

There aren't different meanings of natural selection. Though different people may use different words to describe it, they are all describing the process in which individuals who are better suited for their environment have a higher chance of reproducing and passing on their genes that made them better suited for the environment. It really hasn't changed much since Darwin wrote The Origin of Species, which is where concept of Natural Selection comes from.

That is your opinion and your entitled to it.

I'm pretty sure you didn't take all these classes you are claiming to have. If you did, you would not have used a "cow to whale" analogy, as you will not find any such notions in any credible biology, paleontology, archeology, or any other text book that will deal with evolution.

There simply are no transitional forms in the fossil record between the marine mammals and their supposed land mammal ancestors . . . It is quite entertaining, starting with cows, pigs, or buffaloes, to attempt to visualize what the intermediates may have looked life. Starting with a cow, one could even imagine one line of descent which prematurely became extinct, due to what might be called an “udder failure” (Gish 1985: 78-9).

Every fossil is, by definition, a transitional fossil, transitioning with a few changes from their parents, with their children transitioning with a few more changes, their children's transitioning with some more, add billions of years and countless generations and you end up with the diversity of life that is present on earth.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You don't seem to be quite sophisticated. Rats are able to synthesize a crucial Vitamin(vital to humans) that without it we can die. Now on the other hand, where athiests like you claim that humans have evolved in to an advanced specie cannot compete with a simple rat (i work in a rat laboratory).

Well I find this claim to be suspect. What work do you do in the lab....I mean no offense but if you do then evolutionary biology is staring you right in the face when you're "in the lab working with rats".....

And for the record....if you understood evolution you wouldn't say we "evolved into"....because according to the ToE we're still evolving.......

 

[Dirty Penguin]

There are millions of mutations that happen in your body every minute and amazingly your body has the capacity and capability to fix these mutations. There is no such thing as a good mutation.

Wait just one hot minute....I thought you worked in a lab with rats...blah...blah...bah..!!!

A prefect example of a "Good Mutation" is Sickle Anemia....

A case study of the effects of mutation: Sickle cell anemia

There are positive effects at the whole organism level
Carriers of the sickle cell allele are resistant to malaria, because the parasites that cause this disease are killed inside sickle-shaped blood cells

And this here...

Sickle cell disease is associated with decreased HIV but higher HBV... - PubMed - NCBI

So what is it that actually do in the lab.....?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Hello folks,

I would like to present myself as a person who have studied the idea of evolution from its scientific aspect to the reasoning aspect.

Evolution to the laymen is an idea that confers the relationship between the advancement of human specie to the more primitive "forefathers". If this was to be true that humans have evolved to a level that totally exceeds other species then we have to study the situation real close.
A specific example I would like to point out is the essential vitamins that humans have to take. Vitamin C for example have to be procured from food since our bodies cannot synthesize such material. On the other hand, rats (more primitive specie), Have the ability to synthesize vitamin C.

I think its about time we have to distinguish between the idea between adaptation (true) and evolution (false).

I call bull that you have studied the idea of evolution in any sense other than creationist websites.

You start off with a wrong immediately. There is no advancement of human species from a primitive forefather. It is the change of all species over time. A chicken may seem less advanced than a T-Rex but that is its closest living relative. Likewise there is no "more evolved" or "less evolved" species. Evolution may occur at different rates but there is little indication that there is a "more" evolved species. I guess we could call it that to the one with the most alleles or allele changes over a specific time but that really wouldn't amount to a useful idea or term.

You are already stuck on this false premise that humans are somehow evolutionary superior beings on a rating system that can rank us from best to worst. This is a false premise. Humans have evolved to do what humans do, (dexterous hands and intelligent brains) while a lion is evolved to do what a lion does best. In a one on one cagefight a Lion would rip a man to shreds.

 

[pro4life]

Wait just one hot minute....I thought you worked in a lab with rats...blah...blah...bah..!!!

A prefect example of a "Good Mutation" is Sickle Anemia....

A case study of the effects of mutation: Sickle cell anemia




And this here...

Sickle cell disease is associated with decreased HIV but higher HBV... - PubMed - NCBI

So what is it that actually do in the lab.....?

Trust me you would not want sickle-cell anemia in your body.

 

[The Hammer]

Trust me you would not want sickle-cell anemia in your body.

Well, yeah, no one want's sickle cell. But it does have benefits. It is good at decreasing contraction of both HIV and Malaria. While there are draw backs to having it, it is beneficial in a way. Evolution isn't perfect, some times things come with side effects. Like our inability to synthesize our own Vitamin C.

 

[Ouroboros]

Well, yeah, no one want's sickle cell. But it does have benefits. It is good at decreasing contraction of both HIV and Malaria. While there are draw backs to having it, it is beneficial in a way. Evolution is perfect, some times things come with side effects. Like our inability to synthesize our own Vitamin C.

What's interesting is that several of the non-essential amino-acids that are conditional, meaning, most people can produce these amino-acids on their own, but some people can't. For example, phenylketonuria means that someone can't make tyrosine from phenylalanin, which means that tyrosine is an essential amino-acids for them. It just takes a small mutation...

 

[LuisDantas]

Evolution is perfect, some times things come with side effects.

I take it that you mean it isn't perfect?

 

[The Hammer]

I take it that you mean it isn't perfect?

Fixed it

 

[LuisDantas]

How ironic!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Trust me you would not want sickle-cell anemia in your body.

Well no...but that wasn't the point. The point is that it is a beneficial mutation for the reasons I cited.

 

[pro4life]

What's interesting is that several of the non-essential amino-acids that are conditional, meaning, most people can produce these amino-acids on their own, but some people can't. For example, phenylketonuria means that someone can't make tyrosine from phenylalanin, which means that tyrosine is an essential amino-acids for them. It just takes a small mutation...

PKU, is a genetic mutation and nothing good comes from it.
I have never came across a mutation acquired in a human which improved the life of that individual.

 

[pro4life]

Well no...but that wasn't the point. The point is that it is a beneficial mutation for the reasons I cited.

Overall its not really beneficial.