Evolution flaws which proves it fallacy.

[savagewind]

You're talking out of your butt because you are unqualified to estimate how long it "should" have taken. Typical "internet expertise".

I am not. I do not know how long it should have taken. I do know that mutations NOW are not happening so fast. You might say they are happening fast and they might be in a few specimens. A VERY few. In a hundred years changes have mostly been static. How many major changes can you name? We are not talking about fruit flies or roses.

Edited to say; Name changes that have occurred unassisted by man. Also I think it would be fair to name only the beneficial changes, since I believe that is what my butt believes is being talked about.

 

[secret2]

I am not. I do not know how long it should have taken. I do know that mutations NOW are not happening so fast. You might say they are happening fast and they might be in a few specimens. A VERY few. In a hundred years changes have mostly been static. How many major changes can you name? We are not talking about fruit flies or roses.

Edited to say; Name changes that have occurred unassisted by man. Also I think it would be fair to name only the beneficial changes, since I believe that is what my butt believes is being talked about.

To clear a few things up
1. A hundred years is so short that no huge changes should be expected
2. Anything other than the species itself would count as the environment; hence "human assistance" or not bears no relevance
3. What do you mean by beneficial? Think about the case of red blood cell mutation with respect to malaria. The is no absolute "better" or "worse".

 

[savagewind]

Anything other than the species itself would count as the environment; hence "human assistance" or not bears no relevance

How does human assistance bear no relevance? When changes are due to human effort intelligence is added. This is a discussion about everything present sans intelligence versus intelligent design.

A hundred years is so short that no huge changes should be expected

OK. How about 1000? I think I can not go any further back as I and You do not know. But go back as far as you want. Just one, please.

 

[savagewind]

What do you mean by beneficial? Think about the case of red blood cell mutation with respect to malaria. The is no absolute "better" or "worse".

I think all the societies for the prevention of disease might disagree with you.

 

[secret2]

I think all the societies for the prevention of disease might disagree with you.

Then what you think is wrong.
Genetic mutation protects against malaria

 

[secret2]

How does human assistance bear no relevance? When changes are due to human effort intelligence is added. This is a discussion about everything present sans intelligence versus intelligent design.

That's a cunning attempt of equivocation. This is a discussion about whether supernatural intelligence is required to explain what we observe in this world. Human intelligence is not supernatural.

Besides, this is probably going to hurt your feelings, but in terms of objective consequences there is really no difference between
1) Human deciding to select a certain breed of dog; and
2) Predators in the wild preferring one kind of prey to another.
Stop being so anthropocentric.

OK. How about 1000? I think I can not go any further back as I and You do not know. But go back as far as you want. Just one, please.

Still nothing.

 

[savagewind]

Stop being so anthropocentric.

Uh.....OK

Human intelligence is not supernatural

This is something you do not know.

 

[idav]

How does human assistance bear no relevance? When changes are due to human effort intelligence is added. This is a discussion about everything present sans intelligence versus intelligent design.

Humans intelligently designing things doesn't follow that the microbes at the beginning of evolution were intelligent designers as well.

 

[savagewind]

Humans intelligently designing things doesn't follow that the microbes at the beginning of evolution were intelligent designers as well.

Oh this is getting weird. Stop making crazy comparisons please. All of you.

 

[savagewind]

Then what you think is wrong.
Genetic mutation protects against malaria

Cancer is caused by gene mutation, is it not?

 

[secret2]

Cancer is caused by gene mutation, is it not?

"I can find one A that is B" does not entail "all A's are B's" dude

 

[idav]

I think all the societies for the prevention of disease might disagree with you.

Evolution doesn't work like what your thinking. There is no better or worse there is no true distinction and depends largely on your environment. Your statement shows that we have to fight fiercely with nature to stay alive long enough to enjoy it.

 

[savagewind]

"I can find one A that is B" does not entail "all A's are B's" dude

Is that a question?

 

[secret2]

Is that a question?

No it's not. It's in response to your confusion.

 

[savagewind]

Evolution doesn't work like what your thinking. There is no better or worse there is no true distinction and depends largely on your environment. Your statement shows that we have to fight fiercely with nature to stay alive long enough to enjoy it.

What statement?

Of course there are better mutations. The better mutations succeed. The worse ones don't.

 

[savagewind]

Maybe you are calling failure and success the same thing?

 

[secret2]

What statement?

Of course there are better mutations. The better mutations succeed. The worse ones don't.

Any mutation is never good nor bad per se. It only makes sense to say that it is good (or bad) with respect to a certain environment.

 

[idav]

What statement?

Of course there are better mutations. The better mutations succeed. The worse ones don't.

From what species viewpoint?

 

[savagewind]

Any mutation is never good nor bad per se. It only makes sense to say that it is good (or bad) with respect to a certain environment.

Not good or bad imo. Cooperative or uncooperative.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Not good or bad imo. Cooperative or uncooperative.

Genes don't "cooperate". They aren't individually sentient beings.