Evolution flaws which proves it fallacy.

[savagewind]

From what species viewpoint?

Aha! This is where I am anthropocentric. But I am sure we should still be discussing the cellular level of stuff.

 

[idav]

Aha! This is where I am anthropocentric.

All species fight for survival is a play on words.

But I am sure we should still be discussing the cellular level of stuff.

What cellular stuff?

 

[savagewind]

What cellular stuff?

The cells of plants are good for animals and taste good too. Is that not amazing? It is amazing to me. It is so amazing that I can not believe it just happened.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The cells of plants are good for animals and taste good too. Is that not amazing? It is amazing to me. It is so amazing that I can not believe it just happened.

What's so difficult to believe about that? Living things have been devouring each other since we were all nothing but microscopic cells. It only make sense that as we'd all evolve we'd find our individual abilities to digest living matter evolving along with us.

 

[idav]

The cells of plants are good for animals and taste good too. Is that not amazing? It is amazing to me. It is so amazing that I can not believe it just happened.

It is pretty amazing. My response to that had something to do with sugars being calories, which is what powers us for energy. Plants are powered directly from the sun which kinda makes them closer to the source of energy. If we should be so highly evolved we ought to be solar powered, just sayin.

 

[johnhanks]

The cells of plants are good for animals and taste good too.

The cells of some plants are good for some animals - specifically, those that have co-evolved with those plants and exploit them for food. We cannot know how the plants taste to those animals, or if the sensation we call taste exists in them at all.

Is that not amazing? It is amazing to me. It is so amazing that I can not believe it just happened.

Ah, the good old argument from personal incredulity. Tell me, would you accept "I cannot believe that god just happened" as a serious argument for his non-existence?

 

[idav]

The cells of some plants are good for some animals - specifically, those that have co-evolved with those plants and exploit them for food. We cannot know how the plants taste to those animals, or if the sensation we call taste exists in them at all.

Tru dat, I still cringe with dogs eating there poop.

 

[painted wolf]

painted wolf, i see that you have a dog picture as you avatar.

Do you know that we can cross breed any dog with a wolf because they have 78 chromosomes and they are genetically compatible and they also have the same DNA sequence?

It is not possible to cross breed a dog with a red fox which has a 38 chromosomes... so for humans it's impossible without extensive genetic engineering.

now the question is... who wrote the new DNA information when the cell evolved?

if evolution is not a conscious self-aware process? not just the new DNA information but who change the DNA sequence so only same spcies can reproduce?

No one wrote it... it's a molecule that can undergo a whole slew of mutations from additive mutations like insertions of repeated copy sequences to the duplication of whole chromosomes...not to mention deletions and transpositions.

Did you know that RNA the precursor molecule to DNA can spontaneously self assemble under the right conditions. It can copy itself and reproduce on it's own as well.

The wonders of chemistry.

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

You would be absolutely right if there existed one, ten, a hundred things that tastes good. It might be a coincidence. But it is not the case, is it?

Because all living things are really just combinations of the same macromolecules...

You don't need to evolve a sense of taste for every animal that has fat... once you know what fat tastes like you can taste fat in anything that has it.

I understand that natural selection is a determining factor. The animals who ate because food tasted good to them lived. The animals who would not eat because the food tasted bad died. How long do you think that took? I think it must have taken much longer and with many more coincidental happenings than atheists are willing to admit.

I think 3.5 billion years is plenty long enough.

I hear people say they cannot imagine God sitting at the desk planning out every combination of attractions. That is right. I am quite sure God did not do that.

Then how? I believe God created everything by God's very nature. God said "BECOME" and things cooperate according to God's will. Everything is the reflection of God's SELF. Matter can fall away from the Order of YHVH but substance cannot rebel successfully against it.

And I have no problem accepting that God set up the universe to run on it's own... including evolution.

I don't think God has to constantly poke around making sure we can enjoy a steak.

wa:do

 

[Valjean]

The cells of plants are good for animals and taste good too. Is that not amazing? It is amazing to me. It is so amazing that I can not believe it just happened.

Don't they teach natural selection in school anymore?

 

[savagewind]

Don't they teach natural selection in school anymore?

Oh brother! It is not amazing that it can happen. It is amazing that it happened so many times. So....how many times has it happened in a thousand years do you think?

 

[Valjean]

No. Not amazing at all, just the obvious and expected result of a simple, natural, observable mechanism any child could comprehend.

 

[savagewind]

No. Not amazing at all, just the obvious and expected result of a simple, natural, observable mechanism any child could comprehend.

I shall be insulted if it's all right with you.

 

[savagewind]

No. Not amazing at all, just the obvious and expected result of a simple, natural, observable mechanism any child could comprehend.

Probably just like a child thinks a sky scraper is the same as a hut.

 

[Ouroboros]

If evolution did not happen, then where did all parasites, bacteria, and viruses come from? God must've created them. How can God be good creating a Jewel Wasp for instance? Or is the Creationist assumption that Macroevolution happened just after the fall but then stopped? There are hundreds of thousands of species of parasites, eating away at the hosts and many times causing illness (in humans and animals alike). I can't see how God created that and was good, and I can't see how the "fall" can "create" them either since they must've come from somewhere.

Evolution solves that problem.

 

[johnhanks]

Oh brother! It is not amazing that it can happen. It is amazing that it happened so many times.

Does the red "it" here still refer to the ability of animals to exploit plants as food? If so, its recurrence is anything but amazing - if herbivory was advantageous to one ancient animal species, it will have been advantageous to many.

So....how many times has it happened in a thousand years do you think?

A thousand years is an eyeblink in evolutionary terms.

 

[savagewind]

If evolution did not happen, then where did all parasites, bacteria, and viruses come from? God must've created them. How can God be good creating a Jewel Wasp for instance? Or is the Creationist assumption that Macroevolution happened just after the fall but then stopped? There are hundreds of thousands of species of parasites, eating away at the hosts and many times causing illness (in humans and animals alike). I can't see how God created that and was good, and I can't see how the "fall" can "create" them either since they must've come from somewhere.

Evolution solves that problem.

Do you mean un-designed evolution? Many believers in God believe evolution was designed. It is for that reason YHVH should be worshiped and loved. That way love will guide evolution.

 

[savagewind]

A thousand years is an eyeblink in evolutionary terms.

OK. But how many thousand year periods have come and gone since the first living cell appeared? It's simple division.

Does the red "it" here still refer to the ability of animals to exploit plants as food? If so, its recurrence is anything but amazing - if herbivory was advantageous to one ancient animal species, it will have been advantageous to many.

No "it" refers to Earth's wonderful selection of good things.

 

[Ouroboros]

Do you mean un-designed evolution? Many believers in God believe evolution was designed. It is for that reason YHVH should be worshiped and loved. That way love will guide evolution.

If evolution was guided by God, then parasites were part of that design. Take eye-inflating flatworm, zombie wasp, tongue eating seaworm, and more. They were designed by God's guidance through evolution or by creation or by random chance from the DNA "falling" in sin?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

OK. But how many thousand year periods have come and gone since the first living cell appeared? It's simple division.

Well, the first prokaryotes are estimated to have existed about 3.6 billion years ago, so since then we've had 3.6 million thousand year periods.

No "it" refers to Earth's wonderful selection of good things.

It doesn't select "good" things, mutations which are beneficial to to the chance of successful reproduction result in an increased possibility of reproduction and are thus naturally selected.