Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

[shunyadragon]

I am not the one fooling others, it is YOU.

You don't have any idea about what kind of animal was, let's say, the great-grandfather of any of all those 4 apes, but you want to force people to believe that this great-grandfather (a different ape) existed and was the same for all of them included the humans on top.

That is a lie; you can not assume as true what you are just especulating ... and you can't force people to accept it.

No one is trying to force any one to believe in science. It is the intentional ignorance of science based on an ancient tribal agenda that people make the choice to reject science, and of course, live a lie.

 

[shunyadragon]

The biggest and worst supported and destructive assumption is that there is no God.

Science does not assume there is no God or Gods.

Science is being bought and sold on this basis for use as a weapon against the less fit; middle class Americans.

Sounds like JD Vance.

 

[shunyadragon]

I do not reject science.

Yes you do big time based on an ancient tribal agenda.

 

[blü 2]

I know the theory goes way beyond the "fish thing." Starting from -- the primordial soup which they still can't figure out to humans. As if it all came about by natural means by mutations.

So tell me ─ how does magic work?

For example, talk me through the process that brought light into being when God said "Let there be light!"

 

[blü 2]

The biggest and worst supported and destructive assumption is that there is no God.

As you know, the only manner in which gods (and all other supernatural beings) are known to exist is as concepts, notions, things imagined in individual brains.

So what real thing, what entity with objective existence, found in the world external to the self, do you intend to denote when you say "God" here?

If you say God is objectively real, a photo would be useful.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sounds like JD Vance.

Hide the sofa!!

 

[Dimi95]

So tell me ─ how does magic work?

For example, talk me through the process that brought light into being when God said "Let there be light!"

This is the equivalent to what we call the 'Big-Bang theory'.
So talk me throigh the process that brought light into being when the Big-Bang happend.

 

[blü 2]

This is the equivalent to what we call the 'Big-Bang theory'.
So talk me throigh the process that brought light into being when the Big-Bang happend.

I asked first, so you explain magic first.

If you don't know, just say so.

(I already know how to find out what is theorized about the origins of the photon.)

 

[Dimi95]

I asked first, so you explain magic first.

If you don't know, just say so.

(I already know how to find out what is theorized about the origins of the photon.)

Magic? How should i explain something that i don't belive in the first place?
Just because you think God itself is magic that is not my problem.

First , when we take this from agnostic point of view and consider science as mutual ground we can both agree that we don't know if God/s exist or not.
The question is : what is next to talk..

And as i see and it is very clear in your answer , from don't know you go directly to magic and tricks like that.

To answer your question i don't know much about the narrative in Genesis except that i accept it in some symbolic way.
I prefer to rely myself on what science has proven as fact regarding that.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm wasting my time as you seriously don't know what you're talking about on this topic. I know how hard reality can be as I came from a fundamentalist church and had to leave it even though I had wanted to go into the ministry. I eventually got a graduate degree in anthropology and taught it or 30 years.

BTW, probably the biggest worldwide "assumption" is that there is a god-- or are there more than one god? How could you possibly know?

Since you constantly ask for evidence, which is quite "kosher" btw, please provide evidence for "God". And then can you admit that obviously no one can, including you?

This has nothing to do with fundamentalism. Speaking of evidence, many people believe Mary can deliver prayers to God or Jesus, whatever the case may be. What is the evidence for that, please?

 

[YoursTrue]

In general, they do, especially as in so many cases there's simply no viable and/or logical alternative.

Life forms change over time-- period-- the end.

Do scientists proclaim which fish species started the journey from fish to land dwellers?

 

[Dimi95]

This has nothing to do with fundamentalism. Speaking of evidence, many people believe Mary can deliver prayers to God or Jesus, whatever the case may be. What is the evidence for that, please?

You just put 'belive' and 'evidence' in the same sentence...
You ask for evidence so you can belive?
Friend , if you have evidence you will not belive , you will know.

Just listen to this people sometimes instead of constantly arguing and making silly questions.
At least in the domain of science.

You jumped from one point to another , that's also not recommended for having a honest discussion.

I ask questions so i can learn more , why do you ask them?

 

[Dimi95]

Do scientists proclaim which fish species started the journey from fish to land dwellers?

Again this awfull line of questioning.

We know of something that is called the Tiktaalik roseae.Tiktaalik is sometimes called a 'fishapod', because it looks like a cross between the primitive lobe-finned fish that it lived amongst and the first four-legged animals (a group called 'tetrapods' from tetra-, meaning four, and -pod, meaning foot). All animals that descended from these pioneer amphibians, including us, can be called tetrapods.

They have many features akin to those of tetrapods, do you want to know them?

 

[YoursTrue]

You just put 'belive' and 'evidence' in the same sentence...
You ask for evidence so you can belive?
Friend , if you have evidence you will not belive , you will know.

Just listen to this people sometimes instead of constantly arguing and making silly questions.
At least in the domain of science.

You jumped from one point to another , that's also not recommended for having a honest discussion.

I ask questions so i can learn more , why do you ask them?

Some who believe that the theory of evolution is true beyond doubt also believe in unseen beings, whether they are angels, God, gods, or dead persons speaking to them. I do wonder since evolutionists lean on what they believe is evidence supporting the theory, those same persons may also believe in God and/or unseen spirits, even those of the dead. So when someone who believes that the theory of evolution is true because of what they consider as evidence, the same idea should be applied to other beliefs as well. Especially among those believing the theory of evolution and God plus unseen spirits. Why not?
Further, I no longer believe the evidence brought forth to say that the theory of evolution is valid. Because yes, too much is left out from the theory, including the 'in-betweens.' There really is no support other than fossils. Nothing to show fish literally evolved to land dwellers and then apes and humans. So why not question those who accept evolution as true if they also believe in prayer as justifiable, prayer perhaps to saints, communicating with dead persons -- so -- the subject of evidence does not just stay with evolution. If someone does not believe in God or unseen spirits there would be no reason to ask for justification since they do not believe there is evidence of God. Yes, I think it's pertinent.

 

[Pogo]

You and your mother are apes, while me and my family are a different family.
Thanks for your understanding.

Got any proof of your inhumanity?

 

[YoursTrue]

Again this awfull line of questioning.

We know of something that is called the Tiktaalik roseae.Tiktaalik is sometimes called a 'fishapod', because it looks like a cross between the primitive lobe-finned fish that it lived amongst and the first four-legged animals (a group called 'tetrapods' from tetra-, meaning four, and -pod, meaning foot). All animals that descended from these pioneer amphibians, including us, can be called tetrapods.

They have many features akin to those of tetrapods, do you want to know them?

What are the features for those who believe in the theory of evolution as well as God? Do the evidences compare?

 

[YoursTrue]

Got any proof of your inhumanity?

How in your opinion is calling your mother an ape inhuman? Unless of course humans are not apes.

 

[Dimi95]

What are the features for those who believe in the theory of evolution as well as God? Do the evidences compare?

They belong to different category of study.
But its above your head to understand it , no matter how much i try to get you close to it.

 

[YoursTrue]

Again this awfull line of questioning.

We know of something that is called the Tiktaalik roseae.Tiktaalik is sometimes called a 'fishapod', because it looks like a cross between the primitive lobe-finned fish that it lived amongst and the first four-legged animals (a group called 'tetrapods' from tetra-, meaning four, and -pod, meaning foot). All animals that descended from these pioneer amphibians, including us, can be called tetrapods.

They have many features akin to those of tetrapods, do you want to know them?

What I want to see or know is what type of fish (what species) started the line of mutations leading up to land dwellers? Do scientists know?

 

[YoursTrue]

They belong to different category of study.
But its above your head to understand it , no matter how much i try to get you close to it.

Sure. Like saying someone you have affection for is an ape can be interpreted as insulting...but why, according to the science? After all, don't you believe you are an ape, your mother is an ape, I am an ape, and so forth?