Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

[YoursTrue]

I'm saying that the present state of medicine is that everyone dies; and as the author of Ecclesiastes (9:5-6) put it ─

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is lost.​

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Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and they have no more for ever any share in all that is done under the sun.​

to which we, having regard to advances in cosmology since then, can add at the end,

or anywhere else.​

If humans get to live longer and longer and longer, that will be down to medical science, not to supernatural intervention.

Living forever as the Bible promises in a paradisaic environment is something also that the Bible speaks of. And agreed, no human is going to be able to install this. Glad you quoted those scriptures which also allude to the fact that once dead, there is no consciousness. So thanks for that.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm saying that the present state of medicine is that everyone dies; and as the author of Ecclesiastes (9:5-6) put it ─

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is lost.​

​

Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and they have no more for ever any share in all that is done under the sun.​

to which we, having regard to advances in cosmology since then, can add at the end,

or anywhere else.​

If humans get to live longer and longer and longer, that will be down to medical science, not to supernatural intervention.

P.S. as we get older we might suffer more infirmities than when we were younger. Nevertheless, few really look forward to death. I know I don't yet I know it is there in the future until God intervenes, and I believe He will.

 

[blü 2]

P.S. as we get older we might suffer more infirmities than when we were younger. Nevertheless, few really look forward to death. I know I don't yet I know it is there in the future until God intervenes, and I believe He will.

Aahm ... well .... ahm ... good luck with that ...

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Ah but if a scientist find life that did not previously exist in his test tube, will be be able to say definitively that God did not put it there?

They could say that a living thing originated under the conditions of their test and that there was no indication of any divine action if there was none.

 

[YoursTrue]

Aahm ... well .... ahm ... good luck with that ...

I'm not getting younger, so I hope to see it before the resurrection. But if not, as you quoted from the Bible, I won't know anything when I'm dead. Even if some people believe they can talk with the dead, boy am I glad I learned what the Bible says and I appreciate what you quoted. So thanks for that.

 

[YoursTrue]

They could say that a living thing originated under the conditions of their test and that there was no indication of any divine action if there was none.

Yeah but they haven't figured how life started yet. Scientifically speaking, of course.

 

[YoursTrue]

All those great minds, Einstein's brain enclosed for what? to admire?

 

[shunyadragon]

Yeah but they haven't figured how life started yet. Scientifically speaking, of course.

We know where and when life started. Your attempts to "argue from ignorance' denying science does not hide your intentional ignorance of science based on an ancient tribal agenda,

 

[YoursTrue]

We know where and when life started. Your attempts to "argue from ignorance' denying science does not hide your intentional ignorance of science based on an ancient tribal agenda,

Oh? You know where and when life started? You do??

The origin of life on Earth, explained

The origin of life on Earth stands as one of the great mysteries of science. To find out if we are alone in the galaxy, we will need to better understand what geochemical conditions nurtured the first life forms. Several seminal experiments in this topic have been conducted at the University of...

news.uchicago.edu

Sounds like someone is arguing from ignorance and according to science, it isn't me...
"The origin of life on Earth stands as one of the great mysteries of science. Various answers have been proposed, all of which remain unverified." (All answers remain UNVERIFIED. But you know, is that right?

 

[Foxfyre]

They could say that a living thing originated under the conditions of their test and that there was no indication of any divine action if there was none.

Yes 'they' can say anything. But what they say is not always indicative of what they don't know.

 

[Valjean]

One thing Einstein got very very right is that it doesn't have to be testable nor must we have evidence in order to it to be science.

Not sure I'm following. What was said, and in what context? Citation, please.

Science utilizes a verification process, a 'method', that includes attempting to disprove the hypothesis proposed and inviting criticism and further testing by other scientists. Until alternative explanations are discredited and the original hypothesis found sound, a hypothesis remains, well... hypothetical, and doesn't rise to the level of Theory.
As far as I know, Einstein was an advocate of this process. Yes, he famously would begin with daydreams or imaginary scenarios, but he then followed up with scientific method.

As to how you interpreted my post, I think you might need to read it more carefully before drawing some of your conclusions as to what I believe?

You seemed to be saying that constant micromanagement by God would leave no place for free will, love, or choices.
If God "sets certain processes in place and allows them to evolve on their own," it would leave a universe governed by unconscious, intentionless natural laws and constants, with any God watching quietly from the wings.

Please clarify my misinterpretation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I take vaccines when I deem it wise to do so for myself.

Actually, the point of vaccines isn't just to protect yourself. In fact, more then anything, it is to protect other people.
Your immunity helps prevent you being a carrier capable of infecting others.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Ah but if a scientist find life that did not previously exist in his test tube, will be be able to say definitively that God did not put it there?

No, just like when you put water in your freezer and a day later it turned into ice, you will not be able to say definitively that it weren't undetectable pixies that turned it into ice.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes 'they' can say anything. But what they say is not always indicative of what they don't know.

The blatant argument from ignorance is noted.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Yes 'they' can say anything.

But if they are following science, they will say what fits the evidence. Scientists.

But what they say is not always indicative of what they don't know.

I don't know what you mean or are trying to imply here, but I would say that it sounds like a way to blanket dismiss science that doesn't fit one's world view.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually, the point of vaccines isn't just to protect yourself. In fact, more then anything, it is to protect other people.
Your immunity helps prevent you being a carrier capable of infecting others.

Masks are the same. Surgeons do not mask up to protect themselves against those that they are slicing into. The skin is our number one protection against all sorts of infections. The last thing a heart patient needs is a sneeze or a cough into their open heart.

 

[cladking]

Science utilizes a verification process, a 'method', that includes attempting to disprove the hypothesis proposed and inviting criticism and further testing by other scientists.

What is this widespread belief that science is a group project of good old boys who have to belong to a club! Nobody believed anything like this when I was young.

In the old days each individual had his own unique models of experiment and reality and only individuals had ideas or invented hypothesis and experiment. I can't imagine how any of them are thinking now or how they can stay in lockstep. Perhaps it's a sort of synchronicity achieved by having all the same beliefs of which none are in Kuhn, and frankly, all seem to know there is no God.

 

[cladking]

Actually, the point of vaccines isn't just to protect yourself. In fact, more then anything, it is to protect other people.
Your immunity helps prevent you being a carrier capable of infecting others.

So by this logic the motivation of everyone getting a vaccine is altruistic. If a vaccine gave you severe complications everyone would still rush out to get it if it might prevent their idiot neighbor from getting brain cancer.

I don't know anybody this "nice". From the point of view external to humanity the point of vaccines is to slow and stop the spread of contagion but this is not why individuals choose to "cooperate". I doubt it's really why most inventors of vaccines worked so hard to develop them. Most were trying to help individuals including themselves and their families and even people they didn't know; including most idiot neighbors.

 

[cladking]

Oh? You know where and when life started? You do??

The origin of life on Earth, explained

The origin of life on Earth stands as one of the great mysteries of science. To find out if we are alone in the galaxy, we will need to better understand what geochemical conditions nurtured the first life forms. Several seminal experiments in this topic have been conducted at the University of...

news.uchicago.edu

Sounds like someone is arguing from ignorance and according to science, it isn't me...
"The origin of life on Earth stands as one of the great mysteries of science. Various answers have been proposed, all of which remain unverified." (All answers remain UNVERIFIED. But you know, is that right?

I guess they even know we are alone in the galaxy.

Stands to reason since unless they come down to earth and prove to science they exist then they can't exist either.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So by this logic the motivation of everyone getting a vaccine is altruistic.

It's both. Self-protection as well as protecting others.