Evolution My ToE

[YoursTrue]

Twaddle. It is nothing about me that you
are asking a meaningless question.

Yes it certainly is about you as well as me.

 

[YoursTrue]

Belief can come and go. Belief is the effect that was caused by being convinced. It's good that someone is not automatically convince into believing in something. You shouldn't just believe in what you are told, that's what being a skeptic is. One should critically look at what is presented. But what's important is that one should not accept one thing because of not knowing and/or understanding the other. It's not a world of just black and white, sometimes there are more than just two options. It could be that "A" is true, "B" is true, both "A" and "B" are wrong, or both "A" and "B" are true. Remember that you are not necessarily wrong if do not believe in something, but you can be wrong if you do believe in something.

"A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong."
- Neil Degrasse Tyson

When it comes to theories or beliefs we cannot test insofar as some would think, then choice is involved. For instance, the lady I occasionally come in contact with does not believe in the Bible, yet goes to church often.

 

[YoursTrue]

So once again you have answer my question. But to answer your question, most likely Jesus knew that answer. So he probably walked on roads build by Romans because he is willing to admit that roads are not atrocities and didn't want to be known as a fool by replying with irrelevant and incoherent questions to something he can't answer.


That's why he told Israel not to lie but not to abolish slavery. So was god against lying? Or was he against telling the truth? He did, afterall, he never told Israel to tell the truth.



It also includes people who were own by other people as property who were called slaves


I am focusing on the present, hence this conversation about your god not being against slavery. When did I said that he was only not against slavery in the past?
Try to stay focus here. I'm concern about present day slavery, that's why I'm currently in the process of helping a slave to get freesom from the enslavement of dogma.


I agree. The big problem here is that those slaves cannot be save until they stop being in denial and actually see what their slavemaster looks like.

By the way, if I might interject something here, there are different viewpoints about salvation.

 

[YoursTrue]

Follow the freakin link. I am trying to educate you.
The word "recognizance"!!!!!

Your q is as meaningless as "does gravity care if
you fall".

There are evolutionary consequences, to a
lack of fitness. Is that something else you
did not know?

Yes, does gravity care if you fall? Does evolution care if someone dies? That's what evolution is, isn't it? The natural concept of life according to evolution is leading to one's demise. By natural means, of course, even if there was no reason other than the natural outcome.

 

[YoursTrue]

Both

Still no substantive evidence.

 

[YoursTrue]

The fact that the narrator said these things does not mean that is what intelligent understanding of evolution is really about. The narrator is using language, as we humans so often do, to include "motive," and of course, there is no motive at all in natural selection.

1. Nature doesn't "carefully decide" anything. Traits that produce successful offspring are likely to continue. (Successful offspring are those that survive long enough to also produce offspring).

Just going by that (nature doesn't carefully decide), would you say that nature does not care? I would think someone who believes in evolution as the reason humans are alive would say that nature does not care if someone is born disabled, or someone dies.

 

[dad]

So once again you have answer my question. But to answer your question, most likely Jesus knew that answer. So he probably walked on roads build by Romans because he is willing to admit that roads are not atrocities and didn't want to be known as a fool by replying with irrelevant and incoherent questions to something he can't answer.

It would be easy to answer why He used things in the world. He did not come to take over the world the first time. So He worked with what was here. In the OT, He did not intend to take over the world yet either, so He worked with a world that included many bad things like slavery.

That's why he told Israel not to lie but not to abolish slavery. So was god against lying? Or was he against telling the truth? He did, afterall, he never told Israel to tell the truth.

He was against many things. That does not mean His people were supposed to be cloistered monks. It means that they were to work the works of God the best they could in this wicked world. It also is clear that He sets the slaves free and that means you. All people on earth who are not His children are slaves. Period.

It also includes people who were own by other people as property who were called slaves

People in the world are slaves owned by Satan until and unless they accept the gift of freedom from God. They are property.

I am focusing on the present, hence this conversation about your god not being against slavery. When did I said that he was only not against slavery in the past?

Great, so when He returns He will rule here forever and there will be no more slavery.
The reason slavery exists now is only because of sin.

Try to stay focus here. I'm concern about present day slavery, that's why I'm currently in the process of helping a slave to get freesom from the enslavement of dogma.

The wicked world does not know freedom from slavery. Male from female. Up from down. Good from evil.

 

[dad]

[QUOTE="night912, post: 6458978, member: 66260"It could be that "A" is true, "B" is true, both "A" and "B" are wrong, or both "A" and "B" are true.[/QUOTE]
Now all we need is for you to be able to know the difference or if there also may be a 'd' 'e' 'F' 'g' etc or not. Then you need the ability to know if the a b c is right or wrong also.

 

[Bear Wild]

No. We understand the ignorance of those denying Scripture, history, and spirts!

No you have it backwards. Ignorance is in the believing in scriptures and not the natural world. You live in imagination and ignore reality. So sad.

 

[Bear Wild]

Whose reality? Mine? The folks in ancient history? Most people alive today on earth? Or yours?

The natural world is the only reality. Not your desire in fantasy.

 

[Bear Wild]

Because of many of the ideas of religion I turned away from belief in God at all. Until ... (something happened, which I am not sharing right now on these forums).

When you wake up you can again return to the real world and not fantasy.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Just going by that (nature doesn't carefully decide), would you say that nature does not care? I would think someone who believes in evolution as the reason humans are alive would say that nature does not care if someone is born disabled, or someone dies.

That's a big old, so what.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Still no substantive evidence.

Then it would be up there with all that you have provided.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Yes, does gravity care if you fall? Does evolution care if someone dies? That's what evolution is, isn't it? The natural concept of life according to evolution is leading to one's demise. By natural means, of course, even if there was no reason other than the natural outcome.

The theory of gravity and the theory of evolution are scientific theories. How can they care about anything? This sentence doesn't care if I I live or die. The Bible is a book. It is incapable of human emotion and thought. It cannot care about anything or anyone. What does that say about the human condition? Nothing.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

They do seem to go together don't they. I always love the comments that state they were once atheist who now found god. They ignore all of those who were once fanatic believers who realized they were believing in fables and finally wake up to the real world. I was raised Christian but now quite comfortable in the natural world.

I usually find that these people were not atheist. They believe, but just didn't put much thought or emphasis to that belief. They have discovered that there is social cache among their group to exagerate that previous ambivalence up to atheism. Creationists love a good a thrust to believe conversion story no matter how inaccurate the reality may be.it

There is a difference between not being a good or serious believer and someone that has concluded they have no reason to believe. Many of these so called converts were really the former and not the latter.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

As a matter of fact, as I'm thinking about it, Haeckel's idea was that the human embryo went through primary stages of evolution until, I guess, it reached human stage. Is there any evidence of fossils of any organism in the midst of changing or growing into another form, where the dna can be seen to be emerging into a successive form, if you understand the question?

Haeckel did not say that living things went through different stages of evolution in there embryonic development. He said the stages of embryonic development reflected or represented similar stages of the evolutionary history of an organism. These statements are not the same thing. In humans, every stage of human embryonic development is human. Just as every stage of dog embryonic development is dog. A duck is a ducks. A fish is a fishes. So on and so on.

Though your question is difficult to understand, being well-educated in the science, biology and evolution as you are, you know that we do not have DNA associated with fossils to demonstrate anything.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Do you think or believe that evolution has feelings about things?

Do you think chairs have feelings about the butts that set on them? Do snowflakes dream of tropical shores? Do cars hate people and that is the reason 35,000 people die every year in auto accidents? Does paint stick to walls due to an enduring love of flat surfaces?

 

[YoursTrue]

When you wake up you can again return to the real world and not fantasy.

If I thought that evolution was the way life progressed, I would agree with it.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Evolution described in one dictionary as follows:
"descent with modification from preexisting species : cumulative inherited change in a population of organisms through time leading to the appearance of new forms : the process by which new species or populations of living things develop from preexisting forms through successive generations"
Now, describe the process, please, if you will, with evidentiary findings.

Read a book.

It is very confusing to me, because I read your posts on this forum where you claimed you were educated in this material.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

If I thought that evolution was the way life progressed, I would agree with it.

Denial is a he'll of a drug.