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Evolution My ToE

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
They do seem to go together don't they. I always love the comments that state they were once atheist who now found god. They ignore all of those who were once fanatic believers who realized they were believing in fables and finally wake up to the real world. I was raised Christian but now quite comfortable in the natural world.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
If you are satisfied with your life and life around you, I can't say much. And I guess that means you're satisfied with the spectre of death, and sickness (all parts, you might say, of evolution). And again, if you're satisfied with that, best to you.
Of course I'm satisfied that my life as far as I know, is finite and will eventually die, that's why I don't desire immortality. This result in me not seeking ways to comfort myself with belief of immortality. I'm satisfied with knowing that there are illnesses in the world and we've found many ways to eliminate them. That's why I don't desire a miracle pill that cures all illness. I'm not concerned with evolution, why would I be? It's not like evolution has an agenda out to kill me whether I agree or disagree, or like or dislike it. But I am satisfied that because of evolution, in which survival of the fittest, we as humans has evolved to be what we are today and become the dominant species of this planet. If I get diagnosed with an illness today saying that I will die in three months, I can say that I'm satisfied how I lived my life. And when the three months comes and I don't die, then great, happiness adding to satisfaction isn't a bad thing.

You're confusing (A)happiness/sadness with (B)satisfaction/unsatisfaction. One can exist without the other and both can exist together. And neither of them require you to hold on to it forever.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I do not believe that extensive evidence you say is for evolution. By the way, which definition of evolution do you go by?
As a matter of fact, as I'm thinking about it, Haeckel's idea was that the human embryo went through primary stages of evolution until, I guess, it reached human stage. Is there any evidence of fossils of any organism in the midst of changing or growing into another form, where the dna can be seen to be emerging into a successive form, if you understand the question?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
They do seem to go together don't they. I always love the comments that state they were once atheist who now found god. They ignore all of those who were once fanatic believers who realized they were believing in fables and finally wake up to the real world. I was raised Christian but now quite comfortable in the natural world.
It is primarily a rhetorical device.

It only fools those using it.

"I was like you, but I grew up and now know better,
maybe you will catch up some day" is one common
subtext.

You could describe others.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
They do seem to go together don't they. I always love the comments that state they were once atheist who now found god. They ignore all of those who were once fanatic believers who realized they were believing in fables and finally wake up to the real world. I was raised Christian but now quite comfortable in the natural world.
Because of many of the ideas of religion I turned away from belief in God at all. Until ... (something happened, which I am not sharing right now on these forums).
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It is primarily a rhetorical device.

It only fools those using it.

"I was like you, but I grew up and now know better,
maybe you will catch up some day" is one common
subtext.

You could describe others.
Nope again. I am only saying my experience right now, but it could happen that others will have a similar experience. I don't say I know better. Not at all. But I now believe in God, whereas I did not.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
As a matter of fact, as I'm thinking about it, Haeckel's idea was that the human embryo went through primary stages of evolution until, I guess, it reached human stage. Is there any evidence of fossils of any organism in the midst of changing or growing into another form, where the dna can be seen to be emerging into a successive form, if you understand the question?

In all kindness, you are showing just enough
knowledge to ask a truly ridicu,ous quedtion.

Or is this just lifted from some creationist
site? Be honest now, did you study evolution
on your own and come up with this on yourown?

Careful now, for lo, we have seen this same "gotcha"
try many times.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Nope again. I am only saying my experience right now, but it could happen that others will have a similar experience. I don't say I know better. Not at all. But I now believe in God, whereas I did not.

You sre presenting that you know better than to
"believe in" evolution, so lets not play srmantics.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not sure how that relates but ok.
You don't? There are fundamental differences of belief. Some profess to believe, but when push comes to shove, there is an outward show (Christmas, crossing themselves, church) but no real fundamental belief. So this woman, to make it clear, has an outward appearance of belief (sings in the choir, goes to church) but does not believe in the Bible. I must ask her some time about evolution if she believes in that, and if she does, how does she reconcile that with belief in God. Good question, thanks for bringing it up (in my mind). :-/
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
In all kindness, you are showing just enough
knowledge to ask a truly ridicu,ous quedtion.

Or is this just lifted from some creationist
site? Be honest now, did you study evolution
on your own and come up with this on yourown?

Careful now, for lo, we have seen this same "gotcha"
try many times.
No, I am asking what you believe about this, and I am asking based on our conversations, not some other site. But thanks for showing yourself. (Always helpful. lol.) In the future, I hope you can be more honest about answering instead of making fun or bullying. But this is basically unfortunately what I have come to expect from 'people like you.' Just as some scientists have declared -- it is dangerous to have a different opinion about the what's, how's, and why's about evolution lest one's employment is in jeopardy.
 

dad

Undefeated
What has that got to do with the death penalty? You know, criminals can be locked up in these things called prisons, right? And you know murderers run the Saudi, Pakistani and Chinese governments (at least), right?

What has it got to do with what the Bible says about what sins are deserving of death?
That depends on what group of murders are calling another group. There are millions of babies killed each year in the US if I recall? They fought unjust wars and untold murders.
 

dad

Undefeated
So his little plan to rid the world of wickedness and start over again didn't work? :shrug:
You'd think god would have known that ahead of time. Instead he seems to bungle things at every turn.
Who said that in the flood, or in the Sodom event the plan was to get rid of all wickedness? I think the plan was to reduce it to more manageable levels so that man could last long enough for the plan of salvation.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
No, I am asking what you believe about this, and I am asking based on our conversations, not some other site. But thanks for showing yourself. (Always helpful. lol.) In the future, I hope you can be more honest about answering instead of making fun or bullying. But this is basically unfortunately what I have come to expect from 'people like you.' Just as some scientists have declared -- it is dangerous to have a different opinion about the what's, how's, and why's about evolution lest one's employment is in jeopardy.

Twaddle. It is nothing about me that you
are asking a meaningless question.
 

dad

Undefeated
Apparently you ran out of rational ideas to support your argument and is resorting to using irrelevant comments. Since you purposely used that question out of context, I'll rewrite for you.

The bible tells us how to grow food, does that mean that god is against growing food? Are you saying that god is against growing food?

So since you claim that god is against slavery, why did god tell Israel how to own a slave?

Since god told us that we should not lie, did god tell us how to lie a certain?
Why did Jesus tell His disciples to go buy some supplies? If Jesus walked on a road built by Romans does that mean He supported Roman atrocities? God told Israel how to cope in a wicked world. That included how to treat workers who were called slaves. Many of those workers had a chance to be free and chose to remain working for their bosses. The world today has millions of sex slaves and sweatshop workers, and slave labor, and etc. Why do you ignore this to focus on the past? Everyone on earth that is not saved is a slave! Why deny it?
 

dad

Undefeated
Once again you can not address a simple question.

I'll save you the trouble - yes you did just call yourself and your fellow fundamentalists demonstrably ignorant.

Regarding Genesis, you wrote:
No. We understand the ignorance of those denying Scripture, history, and spirts!
 

night912

Well-Known Member
Belief can come and go. Belief is the effect that was caused by being convinced. It's good that someone is not automatically convince into believing in something. You shouldn't just believe in what you are told, that's what being a skeptic is. One should critically look at what is presented. But what's important is that one should not accept one thing because of not knowing and/or understanding the other. It's not a world of just black and white, sometimes there are more than just two options. It could be that "A" is true, "B" is true, both "A" and "B" are wrong, or both "A" and "B" are true. Remember that you are not necessarily wrong if do not believe in something, but you can be wrong if you do believe in something.

"A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong."
- Neil Degrasse Tyson
 

night912

Well-Known Member
Why did Jesus tell His disciples to go buy some supplies? If Jesus walked on a road built by Romans does that mean He supported Roman atrocities?
So once again you have answer my question. But to answer your question, most likely Jesus knew that answer. So he probably walked on roads build by Romans because he is willing to admit that roads are not atrocities and didn't want to be known as a fool by replying with irrelevant and incoherent questions to something he can't answer.

God told Israel how to cope in a wicked world.
That's why he told Israel not to lie but not to abolish slavery. So was god against lying? Or was he against telling the truth? He did, afterall, he never told Israel to tell the truth.

That included how to treat workers who were called slaves. Many of those workers had a chance to be free and chose to remain working for their bosses.

It also includes people who were own by other people as property who were called slaves

The world today has millions of sex slaves and sweatshop workers, and slave labor, and etc. Why do you ignore this to focus on the past?
I am focusing on the present, hence this conversation about your god not being against slavery. When did I said that he was only not against slavery in the past?
Try to stay focus here. I'm concern about present day slavery, that's why I'm currently in the process of helping a slave to get freesom from the enslavement of dogma.

Everyone on earth that is not saved is a slave! Why deny it?
I agree. The big problem here is that those slaves cannot be save until they stop being in denial and actually see what their slavemaster looks like.
 
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