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Evolution My ToE

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sounds reasonable up to where people get into how
God coaches them to find the true meaning.

Might believe if it were not all were not calling
as Joseph Smith would put it, "Lo here and Lo thete"
The Bible says to seek God and he will find you. First you have to seek him earnestly. I have seen people drawn to religions I couldn't be drawn to except maybe to learn a little about them. I just spoke to a former nun with whom I am acquainted. She left being a nun but is still Catholic. She doesn't care what the Bible says. She told me that. Yet she goes to church regularly, sings in a church choir.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I totally believe that. Two probable ressons, imo:


-A life -and- death solid conviction that evolution cannot
be so, based on youf belief in what thd bible is seen
as being and saying

-Very llittle has been seen by you on the subject, other
than what is presented, pre digested as it were, from
Creationist sites. So of course you've seen nothing
to show you how it works

The hard hours of lab lecture librsry and field such as I completed
(mostly to please my Dad), no. You've not done thst.

You have not gone there, so you have not seen.

All your effort apoears to be in fighting iagainst lear ing it

We who have studied cannot help but recognize the errors
you make as readily as readily as you would if i tried
to explain your job to you, or do an after game show
in football! :D. Imagine...

Now, i personally love how being able to read the landscape
with geologist eyes makes it come alive, its, like you know
the story, you can run the "video" of how this valley formed,
how it will change, backwards anc forewards.

Evolution is kind of like that. Knowing what a creature is!

It is said that nothing in biology really makes sense
without the explanatory framework of evolution.

Now, this may not matter to you, which is fine if kind of
too bad. Not everyone cares.

Some do. Of those-

Some feel God is smart enough to be able to make s universe
that can operate and generate wonders ftom the matter and
governing laws, no need to tinker and adjust as if its a
cantakerous old British sports car.

I hope you will at least consider looking into how evolutiion actually
works, the history of life is as cool a thing as there is.

Wishing you well-

its me, Min
Thank you. I have considered evolution and found no satisfaction in it. There was a time I accepted evolution as the reason why I am alive. I no longer do. I believe now that God is the Maker of life. Does that mean that He wants deformed babies and sick people? No. Now He allows genetics from Adam onward to have its run but will turn it around some day so the earth will become a far, far better place than we live in now.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The Bible says to seek God and he will find you. First you have to seek him earnestly. I have seen people drawn to religions I couldn't be drawn to except maybe to learn a little about them. I just spoke to a former nun with whom I am acquainted. She left being a nun but is still Catholic. She doesn't care what the Bible says. She told me that. Yet she goes to church regularly, sings in a church choir.

Not sure how that relates but ok.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Thank you. I have considered evolution and found no satisfaction in it. There was a time I accepted evolution as the reason why I am alive. I no longer do. I believe now that God is the Maker of life. Does that mean that He wants deformed babies and sick people? No. Now He allows genetics from Adam onward to have its run but will turn it around some day so the earth will become a far, far better place than we live in now.
Of course, you couldn't produce a single verse of scripture, of any kind, to justify any of that, which means that what you believe, you made up out of whole cloth. Good for you, I suppose, but meaningless to anyone else.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Thank you. I have considered evolution and found no satisfaction in it. There was a time I accepted evolution as the reason why I am alive. I no longer do. I believe now that God is the Maker of life. Does that mean that He wants deformed babies and sick people? No. Now He allows genetics from Adam onward to have its run but will turn it around some day so the earth will become a far, far better place than we live in now.

Satisfaction? Seems a very odd comment. Could
you maybe explain?

Wondering too about "considered". You didn't ever
learn much about it but then, I never learned much
about football or calculus. If something lacks appeal,
or (see calculus) is too difficult there's no satisfaction.
Is that what you mean?

ToE says nothing about origin of life, and even if it
did, that in no way speaks against the exidstnce of god.
Lots of biologists believe in god, which does not require
belief in superstitions, or constructive misreading of
scripture.

Still less about the validity of ToE.

You believe in god and a better future. No prob!

But why do you try so hard to fight
against science?
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
I could not agree with someone who calls himself a Christian but believes each day of creation is 24 hours. I have friends who are fellow believers who agree that each day could be thousands and possibly millions of years. Not everyone knows or recognizes that the 'seventh day' has not ended, according to the scriptures.

Like most believers, you must pick and choose, pick and choose and make up stories to try to make your bible stories have some resemblance to reality.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Like most believers, you must pick and choose, pick and choose and make up stories to try to make your bible stories have some resemblance to reality.

That widesread habit may explain why
evos is so often accused of it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Of course nothing has convinced you. You clearly state the reason that nothing has convinced you in the following comment...


If you were being completely honest, you would remove the word "now" from the above comment.
Could be just a unintentional mistypo.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I believe now that God is the Maker of life. Does that mean that He wants deformed babies and sick people? No. Now He allows genetics from Adam onward to have its run but will turn it around some day so the earth will become a far, far better place than we live in now.
Do you have a logical, rational reason for that belief or is that just a warm puppy feeling?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Do you have a logical, rational reason for that belief or is that just a warm puppy feeling?
You have a question, and now I have a question. Can a theory be proven? You may ask if the idea that there is a God who cares and exists, how about evolution, the theory? Can it ever be proven?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And people can still be satisfied with their life. Sadness and sorrow doesn't necessarily make a person unsatisfied with his/her life. Happiness is not a prerequisite for satisfaction.
If you are satisfied with your life and life around you, I can't say much. And I guess that means you're satisfied with the spectre of death, and sickness (all parts, you might say, of evolution). And again, if you're satisfied with that, best to you.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Of course nothing has convinced you. You clearly state the reason that nothing has convinced you in the following comment...


If you were being completely honest, you would remove the word "now" from the above comment.
Why?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You have a question, and now I have a question. Can a theory be proven? You may ask if the idea that there is a God who cares and exists, how about evolution, the theory? Can it ever be proven?
Too bad that you put me on ignore. No theory can be proven. Not even gravity. But if you accept gravity, which does have almost endless evidence supporting it then by the same standards you should accept evolution.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Like most believers, you must pick and choose, pick and choose and make up stories to try to make your bible stories have some resemblance to reality.
I pick and choose religious beliefs based on my own recognizance as well as learning.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
You have a question, and now I have a question. Can a theory be proven? You may ask if the idea that there is a God who cares and exists, how about evolution, the theory? Can it ever be proven?
I see that you cannot understand what many posters have said to you regarding "prove" and "proof" and science.

If you are incapable of understanding something so clear and simple, it is not surprising that you must turn to the simplicity of the bible rather than the complexities of science.




ETA: However, if you really want to play that silly game, then explain why, in over 3000 years, no one has been able to prove your god exists. However, if you really want to play that silly game then prove that everything, including your memories and pictures of you at age two, were not created Last Thursday.
 
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