Evolution My ToE

[shunyadragon]

You're arguing from false representation of so-called facts leading to an erroneous conclusion. Ha ha, I love that -- trillions of planets. Yeeks. Do you believe aliens have visited the CIA?

Well military aircraft have fully documented and filmed encounters with UFO's that ere clear not aircraft from this world.

UFOs invading military airspace multiple times a month, seen by hundreds, will remain out of the public eye

UFOS INVADING MILITARY AIRSPACE MULTIPLE TIMES PER MONTH, BUT PUBLIC WON'T BE TOLD MORE
BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 5/1/19 AT 4:53 PM EDT

Video Shows US Navy Jet Tracking Mysterious UFO

U.S.
Since 2014, UFOs have intruded upon military airspace as often as several times per month, a military official told the Washington Post. In a follow-up published by the Post on Monday, the same official said that the U.S. Navy will not share any more information regarding what they call "unexplained aerial phenomena" with the public, despite drafting formal procedures to document UFO sightings on an ongoing basis.

"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air spaces in recent years," the Navy said in a statement released to Politico, who first reported on the new approach. "The Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities. A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft."

"The new processes come in response to multiple sightings of rounded objects spotted and tracked on infrared cameras, including footage of a so-called "Tic-Tac" UFO craft released by The New York Times in 2017. During the 2004 incident, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group tracked multiple UFOs off California's Baja Peninsula, with pilots, radar technicians and other military officials confirming the mysterious technology.

"At a certain point, there ended up being multiple objects that we were tracking," Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, stationed aboard the Princeton missile cruiser escorting the USS Nimitz, said in testimony described by Issues in Science & Technology. "They all generally zoomed around at ridiculous speeds, and angles and trajectories and then eventually they all bugged out faster than our radars."

The vehicles buzzing military installations are described as having no air intake, no exhaust and no other indication of a power source or known method of generating thrust.

Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for the office of the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, described multiple recorded sightings per month to The Washington Post, but emphasized that any further information will likely remain classified. Congress may see reports with broad statistics regarding the number of sightings and conclusions taken from follow-up investigations.

But while the Navy plans to keep its UFO sightings out of the public eye, the politician who helped fund the Pentagon's shuttered UFO program, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), says UFO sightings are far more common in military circles than previously revealed.

Speaking with CBS affiliate KLAS in Las Vegas, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid described widespread sightings on military bases. "You can't just hide your head and say these things are not happening," Reid, who has previously described a UFO arms race between the United States and competing countries, told the I-Team's George Knapp. "We have military installations where hundreds and hundreds of people who are there see these things."

 

[shunyadragon]

While it may seem to make sense to some people, it does not make sense to me. Just because there are filimentorus bacteria stromatolites does not mean that life came about by stratospheric chance, or that's the way it was for life to emerge and continue evolving. It means that there are these things called filimentorus bacteria stromatolites that are said to be the first type of life from which it is claimed, every other living thing came. Nope. I don't believe that it just came about like that in that style by evolutionary chance (or 'successful' mutations). You can believe it, others can believe it, but I don't.

You asked for evidence for the earliest one celled life, and I gave it to you, It is well documented and based on objective verifiable evidence. You may deny it based on your religious agenda, but it is factual based on the fossil evidence, and the genetic relationship between the bacteria and one celled organism including the colonies that also can be found today.

It must be noted that you have presented absolutely no evidence to support your view based only on a religious agenda..

 

[YoursTrue]

You asked for evidence for the earliest one celled life, and I gave it to you, It is well documented and based on objective verifiable evidence. You may deny it based on your religious agenda, but it is factual based on the fossil evidence, and the genetic relationship between the bacteria and one celled organism including the colonies that also can be found today.

It must be noted that you have presented absolutely no evidence to support your view based only on a religious agenda..

No, it's not factual as to the genetic relatives of evolution from a fossil of an organism said to be the first living matter from which all else evolved by circumstance as told by scientists. Yes, I asked. But this report is not factually represented as to the mechanics. And has no scientific merit. Other than figuring that's how it is. There is nothing there to o prove it.

 

[McBell]

You can believe it, others can believe it, but I don't.

Well ain't that just the most surprising out of the clear blue shocker ever.

 

[YoursTrue]

You asked for evidence for the earliest one celled life, and I gave it to you, It is well documented and based on objective verifiable evidence. You may deny it based on your religious agenda, but it is factual based on the fossil evidence, and the genetic relationship between the bacteria and one celled organism including the colonies that also can be found today.

It must be noted that you have presented absolutely no evidence to support your view based only on a religious agenda..

I have often said I believe in a Creator and Giver of Life. As written in the Bible. I have never said I understand it all or that I can answer every question. Some things make more sense to me than others. And it makes far more sense to me that there is a Divine Creator rather than the mindless and said forceful process of evolution.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well ain't that just the most surprising out of the clear blue shocker ever.

Yeah ain't it.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well military aircraft have fully documented and filmed encounters with UFO's that ere clear not aircraft from this world.

UFOs invading military airspace multiple times a month, seen by hundreds, will remain out of the public eye

UFOS INVADING MILITARY AIRSPACE MULTIPLE TIMES PER MONTH, BUT PUBLIC WON'T BE TOLD MORE
BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 5/1/19 AT 4:53 PM EDT

Video Shows US Navy Jet Tracking Mysterious UFO

U.S.
Since 2014, UFOs have intruded upon military airspace as often as several times per month, a military official told the Washington Post. In a follow-up published by the Post on Monday, the same official said that the U.S. Navy will not share any more information regarding what they call "unexplained aerial phenomena" with the public, despite drafting formal procedures to document UFO sightings on an ongoing basis.

"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air spaces in recent years," the Navy said in a statement released to Politico, who first reported on the new approach. "The Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities. A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft."

"The new processes come in response to multiple sightings of rounded objects spotted and tracked on infrared cameras, including footage of a so-called "Tic-Tac" UFO craft released by The New York Times in 2017. During the 2004 incident, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group tracked multiple UFOs off California's Baja Peninsula, with pilots, radar technicians and other military officials confirming the mysterious technology.

"At a certain point, there ended up being multiple objects that we were tracking," Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, stationed aboard the Princeton missile cruiser escorting the USS Nimitz, said in testimony described by Issues in Science & Technology. "They all generally zoomed around at ridiculous speeds, and angles and trajectories and then eventually they all bugged out faster than our radars."

The vehicles buzzing military installations are described as having no air intake, no exhaust and no other indication of a power source or known method of generating thrust.

Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for the office of the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, described multiple recorded sightings per month to The Washington Post, but emphasized that any further information will likely remain classified. Congress may see reports with broad statistics regarding the number of sightings and conclusions taken from follow-up investigations.

But while the Navy plans to keep its UFO sightings out of the public eye, the politician who helped fund the Pentagon's shuttered UFO program, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), says UFO sightings are far more common in military circles than previously revealed.

Speaking with CBS affiliate KLAS in Las Vegas, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid described widespread sightings on military bases. "You can't just hide your head and say these things are not happening," Reid, who has previously described a UFO arms race between the United States and competing countries, told the I-Team's George Knapp. "We have military installations where hundreds and hundreds of people who are there see these things."

I might have thought so about you and your beliefs. And could be many here will agree with you. Have you seen any UFOs or aliens lately? Some have claimed to have met them.

 

[shunyadragon]

I might have thought so about you and your beliefs. And could be many here will agree with you. Have you seen any UFOs or aliens lately? Some have claimed to have met them.

I have seen UFOs, but the publicly released UFO sighting filmed and documented is much better objective verifiable evidence.

I lived north of Morgantown, Wv overlooking the Monongahela River, and saw the same UFOs in the north others saw and reported by airline pilots in ~1974.

 

[shunyadragon]

I have often said I believe in a Creator and Giver of Life. As written in the Bible. I have never said I understand it all or that I can answer every question. Some things make more sense to me than others. And it makes far more sense to me that there is a Divine Creator rather than the mindless and said forceful process of evolution.

There is absolutely no claim in science that the sciences of abiogenesis and evolution are a 'mindless and forceful?' process. It is simple the well documented objective verifiable evidence of the physical processes of the history of life on earth. There is no other viable hypothesis that supports the science.

 

[night912]

I'm in more than total agreement with that. There are no odds. Anything to the contrary is --- um, silly. Unthinking. Ridiculous. The only way this planet could support humans is because God made it possible, according to His design.

That's actually incorrect. It's not the only way, and as a matter of fact, it's clearly not the way according to genesis. You see, in genesis, according to god's design, he created humans to be able to live/survive on this planet. Don't you remember that god created the earth on the first day, and didn't even create humans until the sixth day. That's why there are some theists, in this case being Christians in particular, accept the theory of evolution. Those who are correctly informed and have somewhat knowledge about the theory knows that it neither tries to support or go against god. God is absent in the theory, just like how it doesn't mention anything about how life first began.

 

[McBell]

I'm in more than total agreement with that. There are no odds. Anything to the contrary is --- um, silly. Unthinking. Ridiculous. The only way this planet could support humans is because God made it possible, according to His design.

Still waiting for you to present your math...
Don't get me wrong, I am not holding my breath....

 

[night912]

I have often said I believe in a Creator and Giver of Life. As written in the Bible. I have never said I understand it all or that I can answer every question. Some things make more sense to me than others. And it makes far more sense to me that there is a Divine Creator rather than the mindless and said forceful process of evolution.

The problem with people is that they know enough about something to make them think that they are right, but not enough to understand that they are wrong.

I was paraphrasing what Neil Degrasse Tyson said. So since you admit that you don't know or understand it all in regards to god, you shouldn't assume that evolution occurring naturally isn't part of his design, solely based on the reason that it makes sense more sense to you.

Why do you think that you know and understand god's plan/purpose in his design of creation, but not about all the other things that you don't know or understand?

What's his plan for life now and life after death?

What are your reasons for knowing that his design of creation is this way and not the other way and the reasons for not knowing the other parts of his design?

What are your reasons for god designing one mindless thing and not the other? The mindless things such as plants, rocks, the process of continental drift, water erosion, the weather, just to name a few.

What's the reason behind the mindless and forceful process of our body healing itself? Why the body heals open cut wounds but not dismembered limbs?

These are genuine questions. Curious about your answers to them.

 

[dad]

There are trillions of planets in our universe of many many variations, and bt shear odds we are not alone in the universe. Your efforts to argue from ignorance is a fallacy big time.

On the contrary, even if there were many other planets in the current temporary universe, that does not explain how this planet that we live on is just the right distance from the sun for us. Nor does it explain why we have the right atmosphere, plants to eat, lots of water, animals to eat and sustain us, (sorry Greta but that's life) and a vast number of other things all working together in beautiful harmony for us. Even the planets can work for us in helping reduce dangerous asteroids and such.

Furthermore, the whole conception of planets out there is part and parcel of your religion. The distances and sizes all depend on time being uniform, and you do not know that to be the case. That means that all sizes of stars and planets that are calculated are based on something that is only a fantasy and belief.
Hoo ha

 

[shunyadragon]

On the contrary, even if there were many other planets in the current temporary universe, that does not explain how this planet that we live on is just the right distance from the sun for us. Nor does it explain why we have the right atmosphere, plants to eat, lots of water, animals to eat and sustain us, (sorry Greta but that's life) and a vast number of other things all working together in beautiful harmony for us. Even the planets can work for us in helping reduce dangerous asteroids and such.

Furthermore, the whole conception of planets out there is part and parcel of your religion. The distances and sizes all depend on time being uniform, and you do not know that to be the case. That means that all sizes of stars and planets that are calculated are based on something that is only a fantasy and belief.
Hoo ha

There is absolutely no evidence that time and natural laws are not uniform in our universe.

 

[YoursTrue]

So the fact that the evidence supports the theory as predicted you choose to not believe? Evolution predicts the progression from simple to more complex and we continually see more and more findings that support the theory. The fact we found this evidence is amazing and confirms what is predicted. No other belief or explanation has this support. So you may choose to ignore this exciting finding but it supports evolution and not other explanation.

Do you believe as well that aliens have hovered over the earth? And have visited CIA or FBI headquarters?

 

[shunyadragon]

Do you believe as well that aliens have hovered over the earth? And have visited CIA or FBI headquarters?

As far as visiting the CIA or FBI this is a stretch beyond belief, but evidence is fairly conclusive that UFOs have visited the earth.

 

[McBell]

On the contrary, even if there were many other planets in the current temporary universe, that does not explain how this planet that we live on is just the right distance from the sun for us. Nor does it explain why we have the right atmosphere, plants to eat, lots of water, animals to eat and sustain us, (sorry Greta but that's life) and a vast number of other things all working together in beautiful harmony for us. Even the planets can work for us in helping reduce dangerous asteroids and such.

Furthermore, the whole conception of planets out there is part and parcel of your religion. The distances and sizes all depend on time being uniform, and you do not know that to be the case. That means that all sizes of stars and planets that are calculated are based on something that is only a fantasy and belief.
Hoo ha

Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, “This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!” This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it’s still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything’s going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.
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Douglas Adams

 

[YoursTrue]

As far as visiting the CIA or FBI this is a stretch beyond belief, but evidence is fairly conclusive that UFOs have visited the earth.

There have been reports of sightings. I can't say if these sightings are visits from another place in space conducted by aliens. So you lived near Morgantown. I just was in Morgantown. I go there fairly regularly.

 

[shunyadragon]

There have been reports of sightings. I can't say if these sightings are visits from another place in space conducted by aliens. So you lived near Morgantown. I just was in Morgantown. I go there fairly regularly.

I believe those made by the military are the best documented. The behavior of the UFOs were not of contemporary technology.

Not really the topic of the thread.

 

[Bear Wild]

Do you believe as well that aliens have hovered over the earth? And have visited CIA or FBI headquarters?

Unlike the theory of evolution which has supportive evidence, I do not no of any evidence showing space aliens hovering the earth. So what is you point with this post?