Evolution My ToE

[dad]

Take the fishbowl off your head.

The solar system and area is the fishbowl. Get that into your head.

 

[shunyadragon]

The solar system and area is the fishbowl. Get that into your head.

No it is not, because there are many millions of solar systems easily visible in our galaxy alone not countng wha tid visible in the galaxies we can easily see.

Take the fish bowl off your head, realize the objective verifiable evidence, and you can see the vastness of our universe far beyond our solar system in time and place.

 

[shunyadragon]

What causes fundamental laws to exist as they are or at all!?

I 'believe' God is the Creator of all of our physical existence, but it is possible they simply exist infinitely an eternally as the cause of our physical existence.

No. Admitting our limits is a good thing. Also, acknowledging Jesus as the creator is anything but witchcraft.

This is your belief OK, but it is your belief and no objectively verifiable eveidence to support it, and your view that time was any differently now as in the past.

 

[YoursTrue]

You believe in a master designer because you are too limited in your understanding of the natural world. Humans design things so you get trapped in the fallacy that complex things can only come about through design. The biological evidence is all clear that the natural world has everything needed to allow for all forms of complexity seen in the natural world.

Obviously many have the idea that complex (or simple) cellular structures came about by biologically enforced methods (sometimes called natural selection), there is absolutely no verifiable proof that these cells possessed 'life' as they emerged, or after they emerged from whatever mass they are imagined to come from other than men's deciding what the fossils point to per the theory. In fact, at least UFO sightings had living people declare they saw them. As I have said before as far as design goes, I do not believe that God made or created deformities.

 

[YoursTrue]

Nothing here remotely is related to our discussion.

It is, in the subject of evidence of what is and what is not.

 

[YoursTrue]

I 'believe' God is the Creator of all of our physical existence, but it is possible they simply exist infinitely an eternally as the cause of our physical existence.

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OK, what do you mean by that? Let me see if I understand what you just said. Are you saying that maybe God is the Creator and maybe He is not?

 

[dad]

No it is not, because there are many millions of solar systems easily visible in our galaxy alone not countng wha tid visible in the galaxies we can easily see.

Yes, it is, because we see light from those other stars and systems only here! If time does not exist there as it does here, then no sizes or distances are known. What you thought was ten times bigger than the sun might be tennis ball sized or some such magnitude of error. Your conception sits on faith alone.

Take the fish bowl off your head,

Admit that man has not even been to other planets in the solar system yet! Admit not even the furthest probe man sent is even one light DAY away!

realize the objective verifiable evidence, and you can see the vastness of our universe far beyond our solar system in time and place.

How vast what we see really is depends on whether time and space exist out there. The bible says all the stars are going out...dark! You do realize they could be dark right now, and we would not know it because light takes time to stream into the fishbowl from there! ha.

 

[dad]

I 'believe' God is the Creator of all of our physical existence, but it is possible they simply exist infinitely an eternally as the cause of our physical existence.

So you don't know why the forces exist or why they are the way they are. Interesting. Think about it, you don't even know that, and yet you claim the forces had to be the same in the past!?

This is your belief OK, but it is your belief and no objectively verifiable eveidence to support it, and your view that time was any differently now as in the past.

To be clear, all I suggest is that time in the far universe may not be the same, we do not know. Time on earth was the same always, more or less. Don't conflate the two issues.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you don't know why the forces exist or why they are the way they are. Interesting. Think about it, you don't even know that, and yet you claim the forces had to be the same in the past!?

All of the tells us they have always been the same. It would be foolish to claim that there was a change without reliable evidence. You are trying to distort his claim. And we are still waiting for reliable evidence of a change.. If you can't find any a hand wave refutes your claim.

To be clear, all I suggest is that time in the far universe may not be the same, we do not know. Time on earth was the same always, more or less. Don't conflate the two issues.

Once again, we have evidence that it was the same elsewhere. Do you have any for your claims?

 

[dad]

All of the tells us they have always been the same.

It might tell you things. But you need to post it ..whatever you are trying to say, for it to tell anyone else those things.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No it is not, because there are many millions of solar systems easily visible in our galaxy alone not countng wha tid visible in the galaxies we can easily see.

Take the fish bowl off your head, realize the objective verifiable evidence, and you can see the vastness of our universe far beyond our solar system in time and place.

This has got to be one of the weirdest creationist arguments I have ever heard. He thinks the solar system is in a giant fish bowl on his head? How weird.

 

[McBell]

This has got to be one of the weirdest creationist arguments I have ever heard. He thinks the solar system is in a giant fish bowl on his head? How weird.

Wait...
What?

Oh crap, now I am going to have to go back and pay better attentions to the contents of his posts.


[Sarcasm]
thanks.
Thanks a lot
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[Dan From Smithville]

Wait...
What?

Oh crap, now I am going to have to go back and pay better attentions to the contents of his posts.


[Sarcasm]
thanks.
Thanks a lot
[/Sarcasm]

You do not have to go back and review the old posts. They are repeated incessantly. Just wait.

 

[shunyadragon]

OK, what do you mean by that? Let me see if I understand what you just said. Are you saying that maybe God is the Creator and maybe He is not?

No, I believe that God is the Creator of all physical existence, but I acknowledge it is a 'belief, and I have no objective verifiable evidence. Science does not take a stand whether God exists or not, and simple works with the objective verifiable evidence to determine the physical nature of our existence. God would not Create contradictions in the nature of our physical existence that would conflict with the evidence. The sciences and knowledge of abiogenesis and evolution, and the cosmology of our universe are falsified beyond any reasonable doubt. Of course there are unknowns, but 'arguing from ignorance' of what are the unknowns does not detract from the validity of scientific knowledge.

 

[shunyadragon]

Obviously many have the idea that complex (or simple) cellular structures came about by biologically enforced methods (sometimes called natural selection), there is absolutely no verifiable proof that these cells possessed 'life' as they emerged, or after they emerged from whatever mass they are imagined to come from other than men's deciding what the fossils point to per the theory. In fact, at least UFO sightings had living people declare they saw them. As I have said before as far as design goes, I do not believe that God made or created deformities.

The objective verifiable natural evidence that supports abiogenesis and evolution is nothing like 'biologically enforced methods.' This a very bogus view of the science of our natural existence.

Actually there is verifiable evidence for abiogenesis and evolution, but fortunately nonetheless science does not 'prove' anything. Your lack of education, religious agenda, ignorance of science and scientific methods is abundantly apparent, and not the basis of a sound reasonable argument.

UFOs have been documented, followed and filmed independently by different military aircraft and radar in the past year. Yes there are numerous anecdotal layman sightings, but that is not what I am referring to..

 

[YoursTrue]

No, I believe that God is the Creator of all physical existence, but I acknowledge it is a 'belief, and I have no objective verifiable evidence. Science does not take a stand whether God exists or not, and simple works with the objective verifiable evidence to determine the physical nature of our existence. God would not Create contradictions in the nature of our physical existence that would conflict with the evidence. The sciences and knowledge of abiogenesis and evolution, and the cosmology of our universe are falsified beyond any reasonable doubt. Of course there are unknowns, but 'arguing from ignorance' of what are the unknowns does not detract from the validity of scientific knowledge.

(whatever...)

 

[YoursTrue]

The objective verifiable natural evidence that supports abiogenesis and evolution is nothing like 'biologically enforced methods.' This a very bogus view of the science of our natural existence.

Actually there is verifiable evidence for abiogenesis and evolution, but fortunately nonetheless science does not 'prove' anything. Your lack of education, religious agenda, ignorance of science and scientific methods is abundantly apparent, and not the basis of a sound reasonable argument.

UFOs have been documented, followed and filmed independently by different military aircraft and radar in the past year. Yes there are numerous anecdotal layman sightings, but that is not what I am referring to..

Oh nevermind

 

[Subduction Zone]

It might tell you things. But you need to post it ..whatever you are trying to say, for it to tell anyone else those things.

I have mentioned the fact that scientists can observe radioactive decay in supernovas and measure the rate of decay. The results are the same as on Earth this is at very far distances and long before the Earth was made in your myth. Links can be provided.

Meanwhile you do not appear to have any evidence, not even laughable biblical "evidence" for your beliefs.

 

[shunyadragon]

Oh nevermind

Unfortunately the best you can do when faced with the evidence.

 

[shunyadragon]

(whatever...)

Is that your best?!?!?!