Evolution My ToE

[metis]

Is it that you want me to show using what you deem as "objectively-derived evidence," that there is only one god? First of all, it's good to know what the word god means. God certainly can have several contexts as well as meanings, as I'm pretty well sure that you, as a teacher, are aware of.

Taken from God | Definition of God by Lexico
1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being
2. **(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity "a moon god"
Please note the second definition there. Do you agree with that as a possibility? There are more definitions to consider, so in order to come to any understanding, it would be good to realize what the word god means.

You didn't answer the question, but you can be relieved that I will not ask you any more.

 

[YoursTrue]

The question was can you provide objectively-derived evidence that there is only one god. The Bible is not objective as it is subjective.

If you can't, then at least admit you can't.

Thank you for your question.
There are gods of vàrious sorts in the world. The Bible also has that written. As well as life itself. There are many gods. The Bible confirms that, speaking of gods such as Bel and Nebo and others, such as Artemis.

 

[YoursTrue]

I've posted why I think it's allegorical several times already here, namely to probably rebut the polytheistic Babylonian creation narrative.

Interesting that the Hebrews felt it important enough to record the history. Naturally no human was there when God created the heavens and earth.

 

[YoursTrue]

As expected, you won't answer my one simple question, thus probably aware that you can't but not being honest enough to admit it. Instead, it's your disingenuous tactic of "deflection" that you continue to use.

The OP deals with science, thus not "what the Bible says". On top of that, discounting the Creation accounts as possibly being allegorical is terrible Biblical scholarship as one should always look and consider other options than just what their own opinion or bias may be. As being a response to the much more widespread and earlier polytheistic Babylonian, this makes sense allegorically, but to take the Bible Creation accounts as being real history and science doesn't make any sense whatsoever now based on what we know.

IOW, one can use the Bible as "enlightenment" or as a set of "blinders" to reality, and you have chosen the latter, unfortunately. All scripture should be put into perspective, and you have failed to do that. Thus, let me recommend that you find a church that teaches "enlightenment" and not as a set of "blinders".

Speaking about creation vs. evolution, some churches say God was in Mary's. womb. Well, God-in-the-flesh anyway. Any church that teaches that is not one I would go to.

 

[YoursTrue]

The question was can you provide objectively-derived evidence that there is only one god. The Bible is not objective as it is subjective.

If you can't, then at least admit you can't.

Jesus spoke of the only TRUE God. John 17:3. So there was a distinction in Jesus' mind as he spoke of the only "true God."
English Standard Version
"And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Only true God.

 

[tas8831]

Challenge does not equal refuted. Maybe you should read your sources and not just cut and paste without review.

But, history shows that is his bread and butter.

 

[tas8831]

Please explain, without paraphrasing or plagiarizing a YEC/OEC website, and support with documentation, how apoptosis is a logical/real barrier between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution.

And please start by defining microevolution and macroevolution - but be forewarned, macroevolution is not an event, despite a tendency for many creationists to indicate that it is.

And he never did.... find a YEC/OEC source to copy-paste from.

 

[Audie]

Jesus spoke of the only TRUE God. John 17:3. So there was a distinction in Jesus' mind as he spoke of the only "true God."
English Standard Version
"And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Only true God.

They all say that.
Lots of only true.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That's probably the main difference between us. You look around and see "everything is screwed up". I look around and see quite a bit of good going on.

We’ll, it’s been almost 5 yrs. since you said this.

You still “see quite a bit of good going on”?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We’ll, it’s been almost 5 yrs. since you said this.

You still “see quite a bit of good going on”?

Can't talk for him, but my answer would be "yes".
Which doesn't mean there also isn't f*d up stuff going on.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Can't talk for him, but my answer would be "yes".

“Quite a bit of good”, huh? Quite a bit of what?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

“Quite a bit of good”, huh? Quite a bit of what?

Lots of things.
Science continues to progress, climate change awareness is rising, there's increased pushback on abuse of all kinds, etc.

I don't think I'll convince you. Clearly you see nothing but doom everywhere.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Lots of things.
Science continues to progress, climate change awareness is rising, there's increased pushback on abuse of all kinds, etc.

I don't think I'll convince you. Clearly you see nothing but doom everywhere.

I don’t see “doom everywhere”. I’m not naïve tho, either.

“Science continues to progress”… I agree with that. The medical field has made some great advancements.

But some things science has discovered, many times, has been abused by man’s greed… The discovery of burning fossil fuels to aid industry is a prime example.

It’s funny in a way… you mention “climate change awareness”, but you seem to conveniently ignore what is adding to the situation that led to the need to be aware.

Climate change is a serious problem…. Not good.

And the “pushback on abuse” you said means you recognize there is abuse that needs attention.

Abuse is on the rise, it’s not decreasing…Drug abuse is rampant. Emotional & mental anguish is worse than ever. And more families are falling apart.

There is a good thing coming, though… one thing you’ll probably love:
the destruction of “Babylon the Great” (religion that misleads), by the political elements in this world (the “Scarlet colored Wild Beast”), Revelation chapters 17 & 18.

You and many others will enjoy that.

 

[Audie]

I don’t see “doom everywhere”. I’m not naïve tho, either.

“Science continues to progress”… I agree with that. The medical field has made some great advancements.

But some things science has discovered, many times, has been abused by man’s greed… The discovery of burning fossil fuels to aid industry is a prime example.

It’s funny in a way… you mention “climate change awareness”, but you seem to conveniently ignore what is adding to the situation that led to the need to be aware.

Climate change is a serious problem…. Not good.

And the “pushback on abuse” you said means you recognize there is abuse that needs attention.

Abuse is on the rise, it’s not decreasing…Drug abuse is rampant. Emotional & mental anguish is worse than ever. And more families are falling apart.

There is a good thing coming, though… one thing you’ll probably love:
the destruction of “Babylon the Great” (religion that misleads), by the political elements in this world (the “Scarlet colored Wild Beast”), Revelation chapters 17 & 18.

You and many others will enjoy that.

“ Not naive” sats the “quick - froze tropical
mammoths” guy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

“Science continues to progress”… I agree with that. The medical field has made some great advancements.
But some things science has discovered, many times, has been abused by man’s greed… The discovery of burning fossil fuels to aid industry is a prime example.

How knowledge is applied is different from knowledge being discovered / expanded.
You can use atomic knowledge to build bombs and you can use it to make medical equipment or power stations.

It’s funny in a way… you mention “climate change awareness”, but you seem to conveniently ignore what is adding to the situation that led to the need to be aware.

"conventiently"?
Not quite sure what you mean there.

And the “pushback on abuse” you said means you recognize there is abuse that needs attention.

Obviously.

Abuse is on the rise, it’s not decreasing…

I disagree.

Drug abuse is rampant. Emotional & mental anguish is worse than ever. And more families are falling apart.

I think such are examples of generalist statements that are so vague that they don't actually mean anything or are talking about any specific thing.
Nuance and more precise language is needed.

For example, it might be the case that what you call a "family falling apart" is in reality rather that there is less social stigma on divorce which allows certain women the freedom and power to get out of a truly toxic and (domestically) abusive relationship. You could call that a family "falling apart" if you wish, but I consider it a good thing. Both for the woman as well as the children. Better to not be part of an abusive toxic family then otherwise.

There is a good thing coming, though… one thing you’ll probably love:
the destruction of “Babylon the Great” (religion that misleads), by the political elements in this world (the “Scarlet colored Wild Beast”), Revelation chapters 17 & 18.

You and many others will enjoy that.

Yes, yes, any day now.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You still “see quite a bit of good going on”?

I do. The problems you mention don't impact our lives - not climate change nor drug abuse. Almost everything in my world is good. The world beyond our village has problems that don't impact us, like war, creeping authoritarianism, and extreme weather, but my life is easy and interesting, and I'd be ungrateful to complain or let remote problems degrade that.

I don’t see “doom everywhere”.

I think I've shared with you that the most pessimistic people I've encountered regarding the world have been Jehovah's Witnesses.

We had an Aussie JW posting here who I haven't seen on these threads for a few years now who had an extremely pessimistic view of the world such that she would chastise me for telling her what I just wrote to you about being happy. She was angry that I could be happy when so many people were unhappy.

But she also posted dozens of pictures of nature - especially flowers and animals - as part of her effort to promote her god and the beautiful and wondrous world she believed it had created. Unfortunately, if you take her at her word, she couldn't be happy in it, but I suspect that she was happy going about daily life and only lapsed into her downer state when she was in her religious mode as when posting on RF.

And I told you about the JWs who came to my door maybe three years ago who began with the assumption that I was pessimistic about the future like they were, and who thanked me and left when I told them what I told you above, which was hard to understand. They were seeking new members, and before they knew that I wasn't interested, they seemed to consider me a lost cause based only on my not agreeing that the world was a terrible place.

You have some of that yourself. You seem like you're probably happy in your daily life. You're cheerful to other posters and have been friendlier to me than any other creationist of any stripe, but you have the same message as the Aussie woman I described and the JWs at the door. Your focus when you write is on the negative as it has been here.

I can only conclude that that is JW doctrine and that relatively happy people with lives as safe and bountiful as mine are carrying a message of doom and gloom that doesn't actually affect their psychology like one might expect - at least not in a manner I can detect.

I just reread my words above while editing and realized that that probably describes your world as well - that you're probably pretty fortunate and living a safe and comfortable life. You're also aware of problems in the world that largely don't impact you. But look at how differently we write about that.

There's another group that is also very pessimistic, but they are affected psychologically and are very unhappy in their daily lives because of the burden that's been laid upon them, and that's American conservatives subjected to and susceptible to conservative indoctrination media. These people are typically bitter and resentful with endless grievance, which doesn't describe either you or me. Your religious instruction doesn't seem to have done that to you.

Anyway, I hope you have a good day. I'm anticipating one myself.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don’t see “doom everywhere”. I’m not naïve tho, either.

“Science continues to progress”… I agree with that. The medical field has made some great advancements.

But some things science has discovered, many times, has been abused by man’s greed… The discovery of burning fossil fuels to aid industry is a prime example.

It’s funny in a way… you mention “climate change awareness”, but you seem to conveniently ignore what is adding to the situation that led to the need to be aware.

Climate change is a serious problem…. Not good.

And the “pushback on abuse” you said means you recognize there is abuse that needs attention.

Abuse is on the rise, it’s not decreasing…Drug abuse is rampant. Emotional & mental anguish is worse than ever. And more families are falling apart.

There is a good thing coming, though… one thing you’ll probably love:
the destruction of “Babylon the Great” (religion that misleads), by the political elements in this world (the “Scarlet colored Wild Beast”), Revelation chapters 17 & 18.

You and many others will enjoy that.

I don't see doom everywhere! ....


I just seem doom everywhere!
And look forward to worse doom!

 

[LuisDantas]

We truly have a serious deficit of scientific education in our communities.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I don't see doom everywhere! ....


I just seem doom everywhere!
And look forward to worse doom!

It is a view I cannot understand. To see doom and gloom everywhere and feel it is increasing and at the same time almost expressing joy for that fact. Happiness to spread gloom and doom while living a relatively peaceful life from which to launch proclamations of impending destruction. It's funny way to interpret the Bible. Honestly, I wish they had left Revelations out of the Bible when they were deciding what to include.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It is a view I cannot understand. To see doom and gloom everywhere and feel it is increasing and at the same time almost expressing joy for that fact. Happiness to spread gloom and doom while living a relatively peaceful life from which to launch proclamations of impending destruction.

Me neither. It's like living in a state of perpetual depression or something.

It's funny way to interpret the Bible. Honestly, I wish they had left Revelations out of the Bible when they were deciding what to include.

There's some really weird stuff in there.
I was briefly obsessed with the book of Revelation when I was around 10 years old, for some reason.