Evolution of Human

[FearGod]

I am a twin, and I have never in my life experienced anything like what you are describing.

You mean that the study is wrong and you are right.:sarcastic

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You mean that the study is wrong and you are right.:sarcastic

Nope. Just a statement of fact, that my personal experience contradicts your study.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Nope. Just a statement of fact, that my personal experience contradicts your study.

Only if the study proves all twins are metaphysically bound over a split zygote. Otherwise you're just one of the sample.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Did i say it isn't electrical impulses which goes to brain,but did the brain feel happy or did the brain feel the pain of an injured leg or did the brain smell the flower,yes it is all pulses,we can map it and the soul can interpret it in the delusion we feel,pain,taste...etc.

One example is the twins,their souls receive and interpret the same signal and they can share the same feelings even from distance.

[youtube]SBVq2BcO9eU[/youtube]
Twin-Tuition: A Telepathic Connection? - YouTube

So its all physical then? Everything we feel is inside our brain? Why should I assume that there is anything more if you have simply admitted that it all points to being naturalistic?

What evidence is there for the soul? Why do you assume we need a soul to interpret these things?

 

[zenzero]

Friend MONK of Reason,

What evidence is there for the soul? Why do you assume we need a soul to interpret these things?

As understood [maybe wrong] The point is 'souls' if any are always 'neutral' they are not involved but since the twins gets split as seeds itself they have commonalities even the brain receptors and this travelling of signals over distances is where the mystery lies. We are yet to solve this part.

Love & rgds

 

[Ouroboros]

So its all physical then? Everything we feel is inside our brain? Why should I assume that there is anything more if you have simply admitted that it all points to being naturalistic?

What evidence is there for the soul? Why do you assume we need a soul to interpret these things?

That's a good point.

If twin-ship (if that's a word) somehow creates a mystical, supernatural connection just because of the biological twin-ness, it would strongly suggest that this mystical and supernatural connection is based on biology (physical/natural world).

Unless God somehow decides that each time biology creates a twin, he/she goes in a creates a "twin-spirit" just because he can. :/

 

[Thief]

Was it this thread?......

And God did breathe a soul into him.....
Saw that written somewhere.

And no one seems to notice we are 'evolved' beyond our need to 'survive'.

Art, music, desire to see the distant past, desire to see the extent of our future, desire to see the extent of God's universe.

Can't take God out of the 'equation'.

Can't find the equation that will do so....either.

God created what science is looking for.

We are 'evolved' beyond our bodies.
If you can't see this.....all the evidence heaped 5miles deep...won't help.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Friend MONK of Reason,


As understood [maybe wrong] The point is 'souls' if any are always 'neutral' they are not involved but since the twins gets split as seeds itself they have commonalities even the brain receptors and this travelling of signals over distances is where the mystery lies. We are yet to solve this part.

Love & rgds

I looked and can't find any double blind studies of twin telepathy phenomenon. Lots and lots of anecdotal evidence and a "documentary" that has been proven to be either false or based on false information.

The whole point of the "soul" discussion is this. What function are they attributing to the soul that is distinctly different from the brain? What would a brain be like without a soul?

So far every single function listed we have definitively proven is the result of the brain.

That's a good point.

If twin-ship (if that's a word) somehow creates a mystical, supernatural connection just because of the biological twin-ness, it would strongly suggest that this mystical and supernatural connection is based on biology (physical/natural world).

Unless God somehow decides that each time biology creates a twin, he/she goes in a creates a "twin-spirit" just because he can. :/

There is this overwhelming need some people have to attribute supernatural phenomenon and its not necessary. Even if we throw out this debate of "does god exist or not" from the content of the argument we are still left with a gaping hole on WHY god would require supernatural phenomenon in the first place.

It is not supernatural as to how the sun rises, how rain works, ect ect ect. We have accepted this as natural scientific facts for centuries (Millennia in some cases) but people still force this idea that souls must be some separate entity from the brain rather than a symbolic representation of our sentience which results from the brain.

 

[Ouroboros]

There is this overwhelming need some people have to attribute supernatural phenomenon and its not necessary. Even if we throw out this debate of "does god exist or not" from the content of the argument we are still left with a gaping hole on WHY god would require supernatural phenomenon in the first place.

Very true.

Why would God separate supernatural from natural and only do somethings supernaturally and let most other things continue in a natural process?

It is not supernatural as to how the sun rises, how rain works, ect ect ect. We have accepted this as natural scientific facts for centuries (Millennia in some cases) but people still force this idea that souls must be some separate entity from the brain rather than a symbolic representation of our sentience which results from the brain.

Sure.

 

[FearGod]

I looked and can't find any double blind studies of twin telepathy phenomenon. Lots and lots of anecdotal evidence and a "documentary" that has been proven to be either false or based on false information.

The whole point of the "soul" discussion is this. What function are they attributing to the soul that is distinctly different from the brain? What would a brain be like without a soul?

So far every single function listed we have definitively proven is the result of the brain.




There is this overwhelming need some people have to attribute supernatural phenomenon and its not necessary. Even if we throw out this debate of "does god exist or not" from the content of the argument we are still left with a gaping hole on WHY god would require supernatural phenomenon in the first place.

It is not supernatural as to how the sun rises, how rain works, ect ect ect. We have accepted this as natural scientific facts for centuries (Millennia in some cases) but people still force this idea that souls must be some separate entity from the brain rather than a symbolic representation of our sentience which results from the brain.

Yes they are all lying and you are the only sincere one :yes:

[youtube]OtbfriJqmCE[/youtube]
The twin-tuition - YouTube

[youtube]0phz6EW9s3o[/youtube]
Derren Brown experiments with twins - YouTube

[youtube]GL8aY3E2rto[/youtube]
New study shows - Twins raised apart are just as alike - YouTube

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yes they are all lying and you are the only sincere one :yes:

[youtube]OtbfriJqmCE[/youtube]
The twin-tuition - YouTube

[youtube]0phz6EW9s3o[/youtube]
Derren Brown experiments with twins - YouTube

[youtube]GL8aY3E2rto[/youtube]
New study shows - Twins raised apart are just as alike - YouTube

I'm not lying nor am I being dishonest. Are any of these peer reviewed? (can't view them right now b/c at work). And just going off the title of the last one I think that has to do with the inherited traits of personality rather than psychic phenomenon.

Derren Brown is an illusionist btw. He isn't a scientist and he is known for being a mentalist, trickster, hypnotist, painter, writer and skeptic. So...I have my doubts that he has proposed that there is psychic phenomenon between twins that wasn't staged.

 

[johnhanks]

I said human's intelligence is incomparable to animals, except if you want to accept that you and the donkey are comparable.

No, you said

Originally Posted by FearGod
Animals are incomparable to humans.

This is clearly untrue.

Really,i wonder if you were jumping with [monkeys] at that era and hence you are very sure of what you are saying.

A predictably childish jibe. And yes, I am very sure that the ape and monkey lines split a very long time before there were hominids. As to "The Study of Human and Monkey Brains Reveals Surprising Similarity Yet Major Differences" - did you read those last three words?

Who said they do. [that animals talk and have languages]

You did:

Originally Posted by FearGod
All of you agree that animals talk and they have their own languages

What is your evidences for how they acted,they lived hundred thousands of years not yet writing or even building.

We don't need writing or building to know that hominid behaviour was nothing like monkey behaviour.

So how you describe the mixed sperm with ovum (Zygote),do you call it solid or gaseous state.

Neither, I call it a cell; and if it is a liquid, so are you and I, for we are both made of cells.

FearGod, you asked someone to "point [out your scientific mistakes] one by one". Frankly, your posts are full of them.

 

[FearGod]

I'm not lying nor am I being dishonest. Are any of these peer reviewed? (can't view them right now b/c at work). And just going off the title of the last one I think that has to do with the inherited traits of personality rather than psychic phenomenon.

Derren Brown is an illusionist btw. He isn't a scientist and he is known for being a mentalist, trickster, hypnotist, painter, writer and skeptic. So...I have my doubts that he has proposed that there is psychic phenomenon between twins that wasn't staged.

He isn't showing his talents,it is about the twins amazing connection,it is a fact,i knew it already even before fetching for any research done on twins,IOW i was expecting it and those studies just confirm what i have in mind about body and soul.

[youtube]GKoRjrkAVwo[/youtube]
Derren Brown experiments with twins - YouTube

 

[FearGod]

No, you said
This is clearly untrue.
A predictably childish jibe. And yes, I am very sure that the ape and monkey lines split a very long time before there were hominids. As to "The Study of Human and Monkey Brains Reveals Surprising Similarity Yet Major Differences" - did you read those last three words?
You did:

We don't need writing or building to know that hominid behaviour was nothing like monkey behaviour.
Neither, I call it a cell; and if it is a liquid, so are you and I, for we are both made of cells.

FearGod, you asked someone to "point [out your scientific mistakes] one by one". Frankly, your posts are full of them.

Apes aren't monkeys, animals don't communicate by their own languages which was actually raised by some members in this thread.

Here is the opinions of some members in this thread

Pattern recognition, deductive and inductive reasoning, and communication are all helpful for reproduction and survival. Even (some) microbes can sense light to maneuver and "talk" to each other. Other time better-developed perception and communication led to greater survival skill.

Anyone with the briefest understanding of evolution can understand this...

As a species, it took a long time. Even animals have some intelligence and ability to think and talk.

In a sense. Not on the level we can, but I've seen dogs inventing new games to play with their dog friends. I can see my dogs be able to "read" my body language and voice. They do communicate to what they want. One of my dogs invented her own way of telling me that it's time for dinner. My experience is that they communicate and can invent, on a very small level. And they can feel pain, happiness, sadness, and much more.

The only thing humans far exceed animals in is ego-tripping.

Language & Symbols

"Some non-human primates can communicate using symbols. So how are humans different? Watch this video to find out."

will[/i] write fairly soon.

So I have no idea why you believe they can not.

Some animals' languages are nothing more than expressions of emotion, but they are still languages.

I don't have to waste more time for your silly points,sorry that i have to ignore your replies,good luck, professor.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Apes aren't monkeys, animals don't communicate by their own languages which was actually raised by some members in this thread.

Here is the opinions of some members in this thread















I don't have to waste more time for your silly points,sorry that i have to ignore your replies,good luck, professor.

So, any viewpoint that doesn't agree with yours is silly, even if it is backed up by evidence?

 

[FearGod]

So, any viewpoint that doesn't agree with yours is silly, even if it is backed up by evidence?

If it is backed up with evidence then i'll go with it and not against it.

My view that evolution is due to ID,whereas others believe it to happen without a need for a creator,so which evidence you are talking about.

Please would you please illustrate which evidences that i opposed.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You said this:

Apes aren't monkeys, animals don't communicate by their own languages which was actually raised by some members in this thread.

It seems to me that you are certain about the non-existence of animal languages and believe humans are the only animals that can communicate through language, but that might be incorrect.

The level of complexity of the language humans use as opposed to other animals may be different, but that doesn't mean we can be certain that other animals don't have languages of their own, even if those are relatively very simple.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

He isn't showing his talents,it is about the twins amazing connection,it is a fact,i knew it already even before fetching for any research done on twins,IOW i was expecting it and those studies just confirm what i have in mind about body and soul.

[youtube]GKoRjrkAVwo[/youtube]
Derren Brown experiments with twins - YouTube

Now that I am at home and able to watch the video it is beyond obvious that this isn't a scientific experiment. This is in fact him doing what he does best and that is being an illusionist. There are NO double blind scientific studies that have been peer reviewed that have supported evidence of psychic phenomenon between twins.

There are similar behavioral patterns in twins because they share almost identical DNA. Half of our personality is genetic.

 

[FearGod]

You said this:



It seems to me that you are certain about the non-existence of animal languages and believe humans are the only animals that can communicate through language, but that might be incorrect.

The level of complexity of the language humans use as opposed to other animals may be different, but that doesn't mean we can be certain that other animals don't have languages of their own, even if those are relatively very simple.

i think you missed the point.

It is Jonhanks that says i was wrong in scientific means as to say that animals have its own languages, so i show him that it is already agreed by other members and my discussion was even to show that humans are more advanced than animals whereas other members were against me and they agree that animals are also intelligent and have their own ways of talking.

All of you agree that animals talk and they have their own languages.

No animal "talks" or has a language in the sense that humans do.

 

[Debater Slayer]

i think you missed the point.

It is Jonhanks that says i was wrong in scientific means as to say that animals have its own languages, so i show him that it is already agreed by other members and my discussion was even to show that humans are more advanced than animals whereas other members were against me and they agree that animals are also intelligent and have their own ways of talking.

I see. Thanks for clarifying.

Yeah, I don't think any animal has a language like ours either (with the same complexity, grammatical structures, etc.), but the idea of animals having language doesn't seem certainly wrong in and of itself.

I think there might be some miscommunication here due to a language barrier, so just to be sure: When you said that animals "talk" and have their own languages, you meant that they have a way of communicating with each other and not that they literally talk (as in, pronounce words like humans do), correct? If so, I agree.