Your ear grew of natural causes, that can be observed. Which says nature would be doing the designer. We are natural so nature designs itself. You have yet to show any intervention where evolution required a designer. Why does god act like nature?
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Evolution of Human
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Nature is unconscious, it doesn't plan and it doesn't make any design.
How a scientific system for speech and hearing can be planned and designed by nature, coincidences doesn't work with me.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Your problem is that you're approaching the issue the wrong way around. "Sound" isn't the intended end result of a particular process, but the result of our bodies interpreting information from the environment. Our bodies evolved the ability to detect waves, and this eventually evolved into out ability to interpret those waves as sounds. The ability to detect waves as sounds is something that our bodies evolved to be able to do as an evolutionary advantage - it was not the result of some form of plan or design. When you see evolution as a process of our bodies changing to meet the requirements of the environment around us (through natural selection), rather than our bodies changing to meet a certain goal, you realize how absurd it is to assert that there is some form of design.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
It doesn't need to. All it needs to do is favour beneficial variations and the rest just takes time.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
What's an evolutionist? lol.
Humans were able to talk almost right away. Neanderthals and their earlier ancestors had been talking already. It might only have been grunts that were recognized as things IE: urgh = that tall thing with green stuff on top, but it was talking.
The complexity of the human brain compared to that of the neanderthal, however, allowed us to start to develop actual language millions of years later.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Actually we believe that Neanderthal was much brighter than we previously thought, and the evidence of such is the significant tool culture they developed along with the first solid evidence of religion.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Supoosing a designer before everything is quite the coincidence that your comfortable with. It isnt coincidence but a series of processes that lead to various forms of perception. As johnhaanks pointed out the evolution of hearing is well established. That is what evolution does, expkains why some animals see color, heat, black and white and sonar. The evolutionary divergence of all these within different species is understood to be through porcesses of evolution.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
And as Man developed it must have been obvious....
We would overrun the planet and it's resources before the spiritual qualities could gel.
Hence the Garden event.
Dear metis, Neandertal was an animal and not a Human, just as Cro-Magnon had animal intelligence and NOT Human intelligence. This is clear since these people lived for some 6 Million years and NEVER planted a crop or built a house, or displayed ANY evidence of having Human intelligence, which ONLY God and Adam have. Gen 3:22
This is because the LORD made Adam on the 3rd Day, Gen 2:4-7 which was Billions of years BEFORE every other living creature was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, or some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Gen 1:21 When the sons of God (prehistoric people) were created from the water, Adam was already there and Adam was a Special Creation, destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other creature. Gen 1:28
God, the Trinity, created the sons of God (prehistoric people), from the water, with the ability to produce offspring with Humans, the descendants of Adam. Gen 6:1-4 In this manner Humanity was spread over the face of our Planet Earth, when Noah arrived here some 10k years ago. Gen 11:8
This is EASY to confirm Historically, since Human Civilization, on Planet Earth, can be traced to the FIRST Human farming, city building, math, writing, and EVERY other modern Human trait, which arrived on our Earth in the Ark. Below is Empirical Evidence of the arrival of Noah and the spread of Human civilization which began in the Cradle of Human Civilization, which is in the Valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, just southwest of Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat. God Bless you.
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
In Love,
Aman
Not all of nature is unconscious. I'm part of nature, and I'm conscious.
But yeah, the Universe and nature itself is not conscious in the sense that evolution of speech and hearing is planned. It is an unguided process. Is it therefore random or a coincidence? Nope. There is an element of randomness in the DNA of individuals within a population, but from there on the natural selection bit is anything but random.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And which evolved first, speech or hearing or both evolved simultaneously and how do you explain 2 separate functions to be in harmony other than intended plan and design,saying it happened to be so and bla bla bla isn't a scientific reply.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Obviously hearing developed first. Without hearing, there wouldn't be much use in vocalizing our thoughts.
Again, you're looking at this from completely the wrong perspective. Evolution does not require a "plan" - that's the whole point. These traits developed because they proved beneficial in some regard. You need to stop approaching this subject from the point of view of everything having an end goal, and instead approaching everything as a result of natural processes selecting from variable mutations. There really is nothing miraculous about organisms evolving the ability to hear as a response to external stimuli, and then developing methods of making noises to communicate ideas.
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Hearing can be used for other things than hearing what people say to you. For example... hearing predators or prey?
AlphaAlex115
Active Member
I think humans will lose their little pinkie in like millions of years - its never used! Also in the bible like with adam and eve and that the snake says something about losing the spine which makes sense as most of us like to slump at the computer all day :^).
ScuzManiac
Active Member
It doesn't.
He also claims that a day of creation in The Bible is exactly 4.5 billion years...
Which explains the "Big Bang Theory."
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Dear Scuz, Scripture doesn't say anything to an unbeliever. It's foolishness to them, as is demonstrated every day here. In order to keep others from following your confusion, I will explain WHY a Day of Creation is some 4.5 Billion years.
The Big Bang was 13.7 billion years ago. It happened on Day 3 of the Creation. Today is Day 6 of the Creation. Six minus three equals 3 Days ago to God and 13.5 Billion years ago in man's time. Divide 13.7 by 3 and you get 4.566666666666 which rounds off to some 4.5 Billion years for each of God's Days or Ages. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman