Evolution of Human

[Aman777]

Are there two kinds of human; one from Adam and another from evolution?

Dear Delta, Yes. Humans were "formed from the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, Gen 2:4-7 which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from the water, exactly as scientists have discovered, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared on our Planet.

Do the math and you will find that Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared on our Planet, from which evolved the sons of God. Gen 1:21 shows that EVERY living creature that moves, was brought forth from the water. This includes prehistoric man because he "moved". We know he moved because we can see when he stood up on two legs and walked out of Africa.

Not to forecast rainy days ahead, but weren't sophisticated stone tools in use many thousands of years earlier, say 50,000 years ago? I know its not as visually stimulating as a building, and I don't know much about it myself, but I know enough to know that if someone were left out in the wild without any knowledge of the sorts they will not be able to produce the stone tools found. It takes skill, practice, hard-work, and ultimately an accumulation of knowledge from generation to generation to get those tools. Even the first humans to make buildings and develop farming and agriculture had to stand on the shoulders of giants too.

You are correct IF we were speaking of Humans. Prehistoric people were NOT Humans. Only the descendants of Adam have inherited his unique intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 This is the highest form of intelligence because Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28 The sons of God (prehistoric people) was as smart as any animal, but they were NOT Human, no matter how many Evols falsely believe they were.

The map appears legitimate, but I don't see how that is evidence of humans appearing 10K years ago? Not to mention the city of Jericho is about 12K years old.

IF you understand the history of Jericho, you will notice that it is an Oasis, which means that the sons of God (prehistoric people) were there BEFORE Humans arrived some 10k years ago. Since today's Science is "willingly ignorant" that the FIRST Humans arrived on this Planet in an Ark, they confuse the sons of God for Humans all the time. Please forgive them for they have REJECTED God's Truth in favor of man's False and InComplete Theories. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Sorry. None of that says, "...and behold, did the humans thereof make haste to this planet from other worlds."

Dear sojourner, Here is Gen 1:6-8 which shows that the FIRST firmament or boundary of the FIRST Heaven was made the 2nd Day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Do you now agree that the above verses show that the first Heaven was made on the 2nd Day? If so, then your "None of that says" comment is False.

Now read about the other HeavenS which were made on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth

The above verses are speaking of a time on the THIRD Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10 shows that Adam's Earth was made the THIRD Day. I added the beginning of verse 5 to confirm that this verse is speaking of the THIRD Day since the plants and Trees GREW on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:12

Will you now admit that you were wrong in saying "None of that says"? Or will you continue to try to impress us with your vast knowledge of goat herder Theology which knew nothing of what these verses were teaching? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[idav]

Silly idav! Those aren't spaceships; they're carnival rides.

Here is someone who says we were genetically modified by aliens for slavery.

**In*The 12th Planet*(1976), describing the Anunnaki's genetic engineering to fashion The Adam, Zecharia wrote: "Man is the product of evolution; but modern Man,*Homo sapiens, is the product of the 'gods'. For, some time circa*300,000 years ago, the Nefilim took ape-man (Homo erectus) and implanted on him their own image and likeness." In The Earth Chronicles Time Chart (The Wars of Gods and Men, 1985) Zecharia wrote:*300,000 years ago: The Anunnaki toiling in the gold mines mutiny. Enki and Ninhursag create Primitive Workers through genetic manipulation...*Homo sapiens*begins to multiply."*

The Official Web Site of Zecharia Sitchin

 

[Delta-9]

Dear Delta, Yes. Humans were "formed from the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, Gen 2:4-7 which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from the water, exactly as scientists have discovered, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared on our Planet.

Do the math and you will find that Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared on our Planet, from which evolved the sons of God. Gen 1:21 shows that EVERY living creature that moves, was brought forth from the water. This includes prehistoric man because he "moved". We know he moved because we can see when he stood up on two legs and walked out of Africa.

Hello Aman, I find it awfully confusing on why you have the big bang on day 3 and not on day 1. I believe most Christians would put the big bang as Genesis 1:3 - God said "let there be light". Can you expand on this a little?

If I understand you, you are saying evolution is true, humans evolved from some microbes over the last few billion years, and these humans were of the liking of Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon. Meanwhile, on another planet, possibly a different universe, billions of years before the first life on the Earth we all know, God created Adam. Adam and his descendants messed everything up, then we come to Noah and the Flood. During the Flood God transports the Ark from its homeland to our Earth, and that happened roughly 10,000 years ago. Somewhere along the way Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon went extinct and real humans like us took over the world, and we have no actual genetic heritage/link with either Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon?

Just as an aside, I don't think Gen 1:21 says that every living creature that moves came from the water, I think it just means that God created all the marine life in that verse. My Pastor once told me that "Adam" means "earth" and "Eve" means "life" in Hebrew; humans are the life of the earth/dirt/ground. Which makes sense in light of Gen 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

You are correct IF we were speaking of Humans. Prehistoric people were NOT Humans. Only the descendants of Adam have inherited his unique intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 This is the highest form of intelligence because Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28 The sons of God (prehistoric people) was as smart as any animal, but they were NOT Human, no matter how many Evols falsely believe they were.


IF you understand the history of Jericho, you will notice that it is an Oasis, which means that the sons of God (prehistoric people) were there BEFORE Humans arrived some 10k years ago. Since today's Science is "willingly ignorant" that the FIRST Humans arrived on this Planet in an Ark, they confuse the sons of God for Humans all the time. Please forgive them for they have REJECTED God's Truth in favor of man's False and InComplete Theories. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

How do you tell humans from non-human humans? I mean, can you tell the difference just by looking at the skeleton or DNA? Or do you have to look at other signs of intelligence like art and architecture? You also mentioned writing as a sign of real human intelligence. What do you do if there are structures being built but no true written language? I was curious, and with wiki to the rescue, the oldest permanent structures do appear around 10,000 years ago, however writing as we would understand it (e.g. hieroglyphics or something) came nearly 5,000 years later!

Was there a second Ark to re-re-cultivate the planet so that we could have the intelligence to write?

 

[ScuzManiac]

Do the math and you will find that Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared on our Planet, from which evolved the sons of God.

Quit telling people to do the math when you can't even do it yourself.

None of this is in The Bible.

You take what science brings to the table and misinterpret The Bible to make it relevant.

Stop grasping at straws and blatantly making things up Aman.

 

[idav]

Quit telling people to do the math when you can't even do it yourself.

None of this is in The Bible.

You take what science brings to the table and misinterpret The Bible to make it relevant.

Stop grasping at straws and blatantly making things up Aman.

He isn't even using science, or only uses what suits his universe odyssey. At least Sitchin goes with what science is saying about evolution and divergence and such, and even has the numbers fairly accurate, as out there as Sitchins views are, Amans views are not unheard of but worse they are not accurate.

 

[ScuzManiac]

He isn't even using science, or only uses what suits his universe odyssey. At least Sitchin goes with what science is saying about evolution and divergence and such, and even has the numbers fairly accurate, as out there as Sitchins views are, Amans views are not unheard of but worse they are not accurate.

Well, he takes the verses in Genesis....

And says one of God's days is 4.5 billion years BECAUSE...

It equals up to when the Big Bang happened...

If the Big Bang went down at a different time..

He would simply change the number.

But he told me his formula gave him 4.56666 which is NOT 4.5, it's 4.6.

So, he doesn't even know basic math to begin with.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Delta, Yes. Humans were "formed from the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, Gen 2:4-7 which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from the water, exactly as scientists have discovered, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared on our Planet.

Do the math and you will find that Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared on our Planet, from which evolved the sons of God. Gen 1:21 shows that EVERY living creature that moves, was brought forth from the water. This includes prehistoric man because he "moved". We know he moved because we can see when he stood up on two legs and walked out of Africa.

Hello Aman, I find it awfully confusing on why you have the big bang on day 3 and not on day 1. I believe most Christians would put the big bang as Genesis 1:3 - God said "let there be light". Can you expand on this a little?

Dear Delta, In the beginning God created the air and the dust, and water came forth from the air, BUT darkness or death was upon EVERYTHING God had just brought into physical form. God moved or brooded and said, Let there be Light, and the Light of the first Day, the Light of the first 3 Days, the Light of men, and the Light of Heaven, came forth into the physical world.

God spoke Himself into the physical world. It's Jesus, called YHWH in the Old Testament. Jesus will defeat the darkness and death and He will build a perfect physical Heaven, with one city which is 1500 miles square with steets of Gold and Gates made of a single Pearl.

If I understand you, you are saying evolution is true, humans evolved from some microbes over the last few billion years, and these humans were of the liking of Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon.

True Evolution is nothing more than changes with His (Jesus) and Their (Trinity)kinds. It happens everytime a baby is born. Evols measure the difference in genetics, in a population over time. The problem with these men is they have REJECTED God's Truth which shows that the FIRST Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. That is WHY they go beyond the definition of evolution and enter the world of False Religion by forcing their belief, that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, on our children. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were NOT Humans because they were not the descendants of Adam.

Meanwhile, on another planet, possibly a different universe, billions of years before the first life on the Earth we all know, God created Adam.

Amen, but it was Jesus who "formed" Adam. It happened on Adam's world on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was later CREATED in God's Image at the SAME time Eve was created or born again Spiritually, in Christ. Gen 5:1-2

Adam and his descendants messed everything up, then we come to Noah and the Flood. During the Flood God transports the Ark from its homeland to our Earth, and that happened roughly 10,000 years ago. Somewhere along the way Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon went extinct and real humans like us took over the world, and we have no actual genetic heritage/link with either Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon?

Not quite. When Noah arrived, there were NO humans for his grandsons to marry. Like Cain, on Adam's Earth, these Humans married and produced children with the sons of God (Cro-Magnon or prehistoric mankind) and thereby had our Human blood contaminated by the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. Gen 6:1-4

Evols, by rejected Genesis, don't know this, so they FALSELY ASSUME that we must have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Thus, our children are subjected to this Evol Fantasy in the Public Schools. They teach our children that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, thus making Humans nothing more than animals. As these children age, some of the mentally challenged believe them and see no reason to stay on this Earth and become the animals they have been falsely taught they are.

Just as an aside, I don't think Gen 1:21 says that every living creature that moves came from the water, I think it just means that God created all the marine life in that verse. My Pastor once told me that "Adam" means "earth" and "Eve" means "life" in Hebrew; humans are the life of the earth/dirt/ground. Which makes sense in light of Gen 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Genesis 1:21 says NOTHING about marine life, since Whales began as land creatures. Here is the verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their (Trinity) kind, and every winged fowl after His (Jesus) kind: and God saw that it was good.

Humans were made the third day, which was billions of years BEFORE life was created from the water on the 5th Day. God included "every livng creature that moveth" to include the sons of God (prehistoric man). Otherwise, it would make NO sense, because God KNEW that Scientists would find the bones of men who lived for hundreds of thousands of years BEFORE Noah arrived on our Earth.

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You are correct IF we were speaking of Humans. Prehistoric people were NOT Humans. Only the descendants of Adam have inherited his unique intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 This is the highest form of intelligence because Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28 The sons of God (prehistoric people) was as smart as any animal, but they were NOT Human, no matter how many Evols falsely believe they were.


IF you understand the history of Jericho, you will notice that it is an Oasis, which means that the sons of God (prehistoric people) were there BEFORE Humans arrived some 10k years ago. Since today's Science is "willingly ignorant" that the FIRST Humans arrived on this Planet in an Ark, they confuse the sons of God for Humans all the time. Please forgive them for they have REJECTED God's Truth in favor of man's False and InComplete Theories. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

How do you tell humans from non-human humans? I mean, can you tell the difference just by looking at the skeleton or DNA? Or do you have to look at other signs of intelligence like art and architecture? You also mentioned writing as a sign of real human intelligence. What do you do if there are structures being built but no true written language? I was curious, and with wiki to the rescue, the oldest permanent structures do appear around 10,000 years ago, however writing as we would understand it (e.g. hieroglyphics or something) came nearly 5,000 years later!

Was there a second Ark to re-re-cultivate the planet so that we could have the intelligence to write?

The sons of God (prehistoric people) were IDENTICAL to Humans, but without Adam's unique Human intelligence. God made them to be that way in order to populate our Earth and to give the diversity in genetics to assure that Humans would not go extinct before Jesus returned. Noah's descendants spread Humanity to the whole face of the Earth from Babel. Gen 11:9 Today, there are some 7 Billion descendants of Adam (Humans) on this Earth and NO prehistoric people, since all of them have inherited Adam's unique level of intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 There was only ONE Ark. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[sojourner]

Dear sojourner, Here is Gen 1:6-8 which shows that the FIRST firmament or boundary of the FIRST Heaven was made the 2nd Day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Do you now agree that the above verses show that the first Heaven was made on the 2nd Day? If so, then your "None of that says" comment is False.

Now read about the other HeavenS which were made on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth

The above verses are speaking of a time on the THIRD Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10 shows that Adam's Earth was made the THIRD Day. I added the beginning of verse 5 to confirm that this verse is speaking of the THIRD Day since the plants and Trees GREW on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:12

Will you now admit that you were wrong in saying "None of that says"? Or will you continue to try to impress us with your vast knowledge of goat herder Theology which knew nothing of what these verses were teaching? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Nope. Doesn't change my mind one iota. The writers of Genesis Were. WRONG. in their assessment of the composition of the world.

 

[sojourner]

Here is someone who says we were genetically modified by aliens for slavery.

Aaaaand they're all living deep underground now, in a top-top secret network of military base tunnels, connecting places like Area 51, Edwards AFB, Dulce, and NORAD, ostensibly working with the US military and CIA, but really working with the top-top secret 35th degree-and-above Freemasons of the Illuminati to overthrow world governments and set in place a New World Order, ruled from Salt Lake City. Right?

 

[ScuzManiac]

Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Delta, Yes. Humans were "formed from the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, Gen 2:4-7 which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from the water, exactly as scientists have discovered, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared on our Planet.

Do the math and you will find that Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared on our Planet, from which evolved the sons of God. Gen 1:21 shows that EVERY living creature that moves, was brought forth from the water. This includes prehistoric man because he "moved". We know he moved because we can see when he stood up on two legs and walked out of Africa.



Dear Delta, In the beginning God created the air and the dust, and water came forth from the air, BUT darkness or death was upon EVERYTHING God had just brought into physical form. God moved or brooded and said, Let there be Light, and the Light of the first Day, the Light of the first 3 Days, the Light of men, and the Light of Heaven, came forth into the physical world.

God spoke Himself into the physical world. It's Jesus, called YHWH in the Old Testament. Jesus will defeat the darkness and death and He will build a perfect physical Heaven, with one city which is 1500 miles square with steets of Gold and Gates made of a single Pearl.



True Evolution is nothing more than changes with His (Jesus) and Their (Trinity)kinds. It happens everytime a baby is born. Evols measure the difference in genetics, in a population over time. The problem with these men is they have REJECTED God's Truth which shows that the FIRST Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. That is WHY they go beyond the definition of evolution and enter the world of False Religion by forcing their belief, that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, on our children. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were NOT Humans because they were not the descendants of Adam.



Not quite. When Noah arrived, there were NO humans for his grandsons to marry. Like Cain, on Adam's Earth, these Humans married and produced children with the sons of God (Cro-Magnon or prehistoric mankind) and thereby had our Human blood contaminated by the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. Gen 6:1-4

Evols, by rejected Genesis, don't know this, so they FALSELY ASSUME that we must have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Thus, our children are subjected to this Evol Fantasy in the Public Schools. They teach our children that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, thus making Humans nothing more than animals. As these children age, some of the mentally challenged believe them and see no reason to stay on this Earth and become the animals they have been falsely taught they are.



Genesis 1:21 says NOTHING about marine life, since Whales began as land creatures. Here is the verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their (Trinity) kind, and every winged fowl after His (Jesus) kind: and God saw that it was good.

Humans were made the third day, which was billions of years BEFORE life was created from the water on the 5th Day. God included "every livng creature that moveth" to include the sons of God (prehistoric man). Otherwise, it would make NO sense, because God KNEW that Scientists would find the bones of men who lived for hundreds of thousands of years BEFORE Noah arrived on our Earth.

Quote:
You are correct IF we were speaking of Humans. Prehistoric people were NOT Humans. Only the descendants of Adam have inherited his unique intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 This is the highest form of intelligence because Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28 The sons of God (prehistoric people) was as smart as any animal, but they were NOT Human, no matter how many Evols falsely believe they were.


IF you understand the history of Jericho, you will notice that it is an Oasis, which means that the sons of God (prehistoric people) were there BEFORE Humans arrived some 10k years ago. Since today's Science is "willingly ignorant" that the FIRST Humans arrived on this Planet in an Ark, they confuse the sons of God for Humans all the time. Please forgive them for they have REJECTED God's Truth in favor of man's False and InComplete Theories. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman


The sons of God (prehistoric people) were IDENTICAL to Humans, but without Adam's unique Human intelligence. God made them to be that way in order to populate our Earth and to give the diversity in genetics to assure that Humans would not go extinct before Jesus returned. Noah's descendants spread Humanity to the whole face of the Earth from Babel. Gen 11:9 Today, there are some 7 Billion descendants of Adam (Humans) on this Earth and NO prehistoric people, since all of them have inherited Adam's unique level of intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 There was only ONE Ark. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

But humans are basically animals...

And what makes you think we're any smarter than animals?

We can't communicate with them verbally....

But someone from China that doesn't know English cannot communicate verbally with someone in the United States that only speaks English either...

In fact, aren't dolphins smarter than we are?

We mate, we kill, we eat, we sleep, we reproduce, we solve problems, etc.

So do animals.

 

[Delta-9]

Dear Delta, In the beginning God created the air and the dust, and water came forth from the air, BUT darkness or death was upon EVERYTHING God had just brought into physical form. God moved or brooded and said, Let there be Light, and the Light of the first Day, the Light of the first 3 Days, the Light of men, and the Light of Heaven, came forth into the physical world.

God spoke Himself into the physical world. It's Jesus, called YHWH in the Old Testament. Jesus will defeat the darkness and death and He will build a perfect physical Heaven, with one city which is 1500 miles square with steets of Gold and Gates made of a single Pearl.

I can accept that, but it doesn't explain why you have the big bang on day 3 instead of day 1. I think the big bang was when time and space came into existence, at least for our universe; without a space-time I don't know how you can have past events let alone a specific order of events that can be broken down into day one and day two?

True Evolution is nothing more than changes with His (Jesus) and Their (Trinity)kinds. It happens everytime a baby is born. Evols measure the difference in genetics, in a population over time. The problem with these men is they have REJECTED God's Truth which shows that the FIRST Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. That is WHY they go beyond the definition of evolution and enter the world of False Religion by forcing their belief, that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, on our children. The sons of God (prehistoric people) were NOT Humans because they were not the descendants of Adam.

I think science is more about how you do things rather than getting the absolute truth. It may be that you are right and all those scientists are wrong, but unless you can scientifically demonstrate something it is hard to blame scientists for not agreeing with you.

Not quite. When Noah arrived, there were NO humans for his grandsons to marry. Like Cain, on Adam's Earth, these Humans married and produced children with the sons of God (Cro-Magnon or prehistoric mankind) and thereby had our Human blood contaminated by the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. Gen 6:1-4

Evols, by rejected Genesis, don't know this, so they FALSELY ASSUME that we must have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Thus, our children are subjected to this Evol Fantasy in the Public Schools. They teach our children that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, thus making Humans nothing more than animals. As these children age, some of the mentally challenged believe them and see no reason to stay on this Earth and become the animals they have been falsely taught they are.

Modern science does say that we interbred with Neanderthal among a few other lineages, and Cro-Magnon is the ancestor of Europeans; they were fully human - Homo sapiens sapiens.

Like it or not we are animals according to the scientific definition: a motile mutli-cell eukaryote which lacks cell walls and ingests organic matter for food. I suppose we could have all those characteristics without being genetically related to other animals, however evolution explains it very well with known and observed mechanisms. It is hardly a mere assumption but a well vetted theory.

Genesis 1:21 says NOTHING about marine life, since Whales began as land creatures. Here is the verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their (Trinity) kind, and every winged fowl after His (Jesus) kind: and God saw that it was good.

Yea, I wouldn't trust the KJV to give me the best translation, and I think the context clearly indicates that it is only talking about water-based life and birds. I looked at NIV, ESV, NASB, YLT, and OJB, none of them use "whales" but some variation of "sea creatures/monsters". In context (NIV):

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

I don't know how you get anything other than marine/aquatic life and birds from that passage. If it was talking about everything that moves than it would completely negate half of day 6 when "God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds.", and if God made Adam on day 3 it would contradict the other half of day 6.

Humans were made the third day, which was billions of years BEFORE life was created from the water on the 5th Day. God included "every livng creature that moveth" to include the sons of God (prehistoric man). Otherwise, it would make NO sense, because God KNEW that Scientists would find the bones of men who lived for hundreds of thousands of years BEFORE Noah arrived on our Earth.

In Genesis 1 it clearly states that Adam was made on day 6. To say that Adam was made on day 3 makes the whole story internally inconsistent. You may have fallen prey to a concordist fallacy by trying to fit the Bible into modern science instead of trying to understand the text in the context it was written in. I think there is a strong and elegant argument to be made on how traditional interpretations of Genesis did not take the literal interpretation dogmatically or even very seriously.

The sons of God (prehistoric people) were IDENTICAL to Humans, but without Adam's unique Human intelligence. God made them to be that way in order to populate our Earth and to give the diversity in genetics to assure that Humans would not go extinct before Jesus returned. Noah's descendants spread Humanity to the whole face of the Earth from Babel. Gen 11:9 Today, there are some 7 Billion descendants of Adam (Humans) on this Earth and NO prehistoric people, since all of them have inherited Adam's unique level of intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 There was only ONE Ark. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

I am just saying you are making the claim that we can locate this special intelligence through architecture and writing. However it's not like all those things suddenly appeared out of nowhere at the exact same time, they all developed at different times and some places developed differently. How do you account for permanent architecture predating anything we would call writing by almost 5,000 years if both things are the products of this special intelligence? Why did some skills remain dormant for thousands of years while other skills were instantaneously manifested from this special intelligence?

In peace, D-9

 

[Aman777]

But humans are basically animals...

Dear Scuz, Humans were made a Special Creation, Billions of years BEFORE any animal, on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4-7 Every living creature that moves, was made the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was some 9 Billion years, in man's time, AFTER Adam, the first Human was made.

God doesn't agree that Humans are animals since ONLY Godless Science teaches such a Fantasy. Did they teach you that in elementary School? Science and History ALSO refute the False notion that Humans evolved from Apes. Want to see?

And what makes you think we're any smarter than animals?

Humans farm, build Human cities, and have math, writing, and high technology which NO animal does. The reason is simple. Animals don't have the highest form of intelligence. Humans have this intelligence which is like Gods Gen 3:22 because we are DESTINED to have dominion or rule over ALL other creatures, including ALL animals. Gen 1:28

We can't communicate with them verbally....

But someone from China that doesn't know English cannot communicate verbally with someone in the United States that only speaks English either...

In fact, aren't dolphins smarter than we are?

Of course NOT since Dolphins will NEVER have rule over every other living creature. Chinese are Humans because they can LEARN English. Dumb animals cannot. All they can do is mimic their Human trainers.

We mate, we kill, we eat, we sleep, we reproduce, we solve problems, etc.

So do animals.

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Animals don't solve problems because they don't have the intelligence of Humans. All the other traits you listed also apply to worms. Do you think worms will ever become Human. :no: God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

I can accept that, but it doesn't explain why you have the big bang on day 3 instead of day 1. I think the big bang was when time and space came into existence, at least for our universe; without a space-time I don't know how you can have past events let alone a specific order of events that can be broken down into day one and day two?

Dear Delta, Adam's world (firmament) which God called Heaven, was made on the SECOND Day. Gen 1:6-8 Other HeavenS (Plural) were made on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4 The heavens made on the THIRD Day are our Cosmos and the THIRD Heaven, where Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us.

I think science is more about how you do things rather than getting the absolute truth. It may be that you are right and all those scientists are wrong, but unless you can scientifically demonstrate something it is hard to blame scientists for not agreeing with you.

Don't believe the False claims of Godless men because they are lying when they say they will adjust their precious Theory IF you can show that it is Wrong. History records the arrival of the FIRST Humans, on our Planet, in the mountains of Ararat, some 10k years ago, but Evols will NEVER accept this Historic Truth, since it is NOT their Satanic view. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Modern science does say that we interbred with Neanderthal among a few other lineages, and Cro-Magnon is the ancestor of Europeans; they were fully human - Homo sapiens sapiens.

Like it or not we are animals according to the scientific definition: a motile mutli-cell eukaryote which lacks cell walls and ingests organic matter for food. I suppose we could have all those characteristics without being genetically related to other animals, however evolution explains it very well with known and observed mechanisms. It is hardly a mere assumption but a well vetted theory.

False, since these Godless men CANNOT support their False ideas with actual Facts. Their view is based on the incomplete, untrue, False Assumption that Humans evolved from Apes. They REJECT God's Truth which shows that Humans arrived on this Planet, from Adam's world, 10k years ago, in the Ark.

Yea, I wouldn't trust the KJV to give me the best translation, and I think the context clearly indicates that it is only talking about water-based life and birds. I looked at NIV, ESV, NASB, YLT, and OJB, none of them use "whales" but some variation of "sea creatures/monsters". In context (NIV):

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

I don't know how you get anything other than marine/aquatic life and birds from that passage. If it was talking about everything that moves than it would completely negate half of day 6 when "God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds.", and if God made Adam on day 3 it would contradict the other half of day 6.

Then go ahead and study your Paraphrased version of Scripture and you will NEVER understand Scripture because you are studying the ideas of mortal men and NOT of God, since your version does NOT agree with the original Hebrew and Greek. Also, Science has CONFIRMED that "every living creature that moves" had it's origin in the water, some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Can you tell us HOW men knew this thousands of years before Science? Of course not since it's PROOF of God.

In Genesis 1 it clearly states that Adam was made on day 6. To say that Adam was made on day 3 makes the whole story internally inconsistent. You may have fallen prey to a concordist fallacy by trying to fit the Bible into modern science instead of trying to understand the text in the context it was written in. I think there is a strong and elegant argument to be made on how traditional interpretations of Genesis did not take the literal interpretation dogmatically or even very seriously.

I agree since Godless men have REJECTED God's LITERAL Truth and declared it to be Myth, Allegory and Fiction. Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the first Earth was made. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually, on the 6th Day, AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

I am just saying you are making the claim that we can locate this special intelligence through architecture and writing. However it's not like all those things suddenly appeared out of nowhere at the exact same time, they all developed at different times and some places developed differently. How do you account for permanent architecture predating anything we would call writing by almost 5,000 years if both things are the products of this special intelligence? Why did some skills remain dormant for thousands of years while other skills were instantaneously manifested from this special intelligence?

In peace, D-9

I think you mean agriculture, since the sons of God (prehistoric people) didn't have enough sense to drop a seed in the ground, or build themselves a lean to, to sleep in. IF Noah had not arrived on our Planet, we would STILL be looking for a hole to sleep in tonight, since Noah brought the unique Human intelligence of Adam to this Planet of dumb animals. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[ScuzManiac]

Dear Scuz, Humans were made a Special Creation, Billions of years BEFORE any animal, on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4-7 Every living creature that moves, was made the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was some 9 Billion years, in man's time, AFTER Adam, the first Human was made.

God doesn't agree that Humans are animals since ONLY Godless Science teaches such a Fantasy. Did they teach you that in elementary School? Science and History ALSO refute the False notion that Humans evolved from Apes. Want to see?



Humans farm, build Human cities, and have math, writing, and high technology which NO animal does. The reason is simple. Animals don't have the highest form of intelligence. Humans have this intelligence which is like Gods Gen 3:22 because we are DESTINED to have dominion or rule over ALL other creatures, including ALL animals. Gen 1:28



Of course NOT since Dolphins will NEVER have rule over every other living creature. Chinese are Humans because they can LEARN English. Dumb animals cannot. All they can do is mimic their Human trainers.




Animals don't solve problems because they don't have the intelligence of Humans. All the other traits you listed also apply to worms. Do you think worms will ever become Human. :no: God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

1. All ACTUAL evidence outside of what you're saying in your fantasy interpretations of scripture say otherwise. We can dig up dinosaur fossils that are millions and millions of years old but we can't dig up fossilized bones of humans that are even 1/10th of the age of dinosaurs. Explain that OUTSIDE of scripture.

2. How does science refute the fact that humans evolved from apes? Do explain this to me without scripture. I'm pretty sure science proves that they DO.

3. You're right...humans DO all that of that stuff but let me ask you this. If I threw you out in the wild with nothing, how long do you think you could survive like an animal? My guess would be not that long....

4. We don't have rule over every other living creature. Again, let me throw you out in the wilderness of Alaska with nothing and see how long you have rule over the Kodiak bear or a polar bear.....

5. Animals don't solve problems?

 

[Aman777]

Nope. Doesn't change my mind one iota. The writers of Genesis Were. WRONG. in their assessment of the composition of the world.

Dear sojourner, Why don't you TRY to support your unbelieving view that God was WRONG, since HE is the Author of Genesis? What is indicated is that YOUR interpretation is WRONG, since you falsely assume that you know more than God. Repent of your evil thinking. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

1. All ACTUAL evidence outside of what you're saying in your fantasy interpretations of scripture say otherwise. We can dig up dinosaur fossils that are millions and millions of years old but we can't dig up fossilized bones of humans that are even 1/10th of the age of dinosaurs. Explain that OUTSIDE of scripture.

Dear Scuz, Dinosaurs went extinct some 65 Million years ago. The sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago. The bones of prehistoric people are found but there were NO Humans, (descendants of Adam) on this Earth until some 10k years ago when Noah arrived. Human civilization can be shown AFTER his arrival in the Ark.

2. How does science refute the fact that humans evolved from apes? Do explain this to me without scripture. I'm pretty sure science proves that they DO.

Godless Scientists, because they have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis, are "willingly ignorant" that Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was formed, which was some 4.53 Billion years ago. Humans were made on the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our cosmos, which was some 13.7 Billion years ago. Gen 2:4-7 Apes didn't appear until the 5th Day, showing that Humans could NOT have evolved from ANY animal. Humans were FIRST made no matter how many lying Evols disagree.

3. You're right...humans DO all that of that stuff but let me ask you this. If I threw you out in the wild with nothing, how long do you think you could survive like an animal? My guess would be not that long....

You are correct since I am NOT an animal but a Human. Humans have NEVER been animals, as the Satanic Lies of the ToE falsely forces upon our children.

4. We don't have rule over every other living creature. Again, let me throw you out in the wilderness of Alaska with nothing and see how long you have rule over the Kodiak bear or a polar bear.....

Gen 1:28 is PROPHECY of what will happen AFTER Jesus returns and changes EVERY living creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30 This includes polar bears, sharks, and Viruses, which will kill ANY Human who thinks he has dominon over them. We must wait until Jesus changes these animals into Vegetarians before we can have dominion or rule over them. This has NEVER happened in History.

5. Animals don't solve problems?

Now, you've said something which makes sense. Instead of covering your face, why don't you tell us what problems animals have solved? Is it because you CANNOT? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[ScuzManiac]

Dear Scuz, Dinosaurs went extinct some 65 Million years ago. The sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago. The bones of prehistoric people are found but there were NO Humans, (descendants of Adam) on this Earth until some 10k years ago when Noah arrived. Human civilization can be shown AFTER his arrival in the Ark.



Godless Scientists, because they have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis, are "willingly ignorant" that Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was formed, which was some 4.53 Billion years ago. Humans were made on the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our cosmos, which was some 13.7 Billion years ago. Gen 2:4-7 Apes didn't appear until the 5th Day, showing that Humans could NOT have evolved from ANY animal. Humans were FIRST made no matter how many lying Evols disagree.



You are correct since I am NOT an animal but a Human. Humans have NEVER been animals, as the Satanic Lies of the ToE falsely forces upon our children.



Gen 1:28 is PROPHECY of what will happen AFTER Jesus returns and changes EVERY living creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30 This includes polar bears, sharks, and Viruses, which will kill ANY Human who thinks he has dominon over them. We must wait until Jesus changes these animals into Vegetarians before we can have dominion or rule over them. This has NEVER happened in History.



Now, you've said something which makes sense. Instead of covering your face, why don't you tell us what problems animals have solved? Is it because you CANNOT? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

1. Okay? You just proved my point. Animals came before humans and Noah wasn't transported here from another dimension. This isn't Star Trek.

2. And once again, you say something you cannot prove without your distorted view of scripture.

3. You ignored my question completely. If you're so much smarter than animals, could you survive in the wilderness for a prolonged period of time with absolutely none of your luxuries/supplies? Surely, if a stupid animal can survive out there, you can use your brain and do the same.

4. First it was we DO have dominion over them and now you change it to "we have to wait until they are turned into vegetarians" one comment later.

5. Problems animals have solved? Have you never heard of cognitive psychology? Are you not familiar with bees? Elephants? The crow? Parrots? Even cats can solve complex problems. To say that only humans can solve problems is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Almost as stupid as saying 4.56666 rounds down to 4.5

 

[Delta-9]

Dear Delta, Adam's world (firmament) which God called Heaven, was made on the SECOND Day. Gen 1:6-8 Other HeavenS (Plural) were made on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4 The heavens made on the THIRD Day are our Cosmos and the THIRD Heaven, where Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us.

Reading Genesis 1 gives me the impression that God created the world on the first day, as it says "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Then it goes on to describe the earth. The text itself clearly indicates that the earth was present, in some form, on day 1 with the subsequent days dealing with modifications from God.

Don't believe the False claims of Godless men because they are lying when they say they will adjust their precious Theory IF you can show that it is Wrong. History records the arrival of the FIRST Humans, on our Planet, in the mountains of Ararat, some 10k years ago, but Evols will NEVER accept this Historic Truth, since it is NOT their Satanic view. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

My point is you don't seem to have good empirical evidence or reasons to support your position. You say this event was recorded in the Bible with Noah, and I think it is accurate to say that no serious scholar or theologian has ever gleaned your view from the text itself. If you think the Bible speaks of this you need to quote and demonstrate how the text supports your view - shouldn't be too hard since the whole story is only a few pages long.

As for the map I don't see how this is evidence of anything except that humans were doing stuff at least as early as 11,000 years ago.

False, since these Godless men CANNOT support their False ideas with actual Facts. Their view is based on the incomplete, untrue, False Assumption that Humans evolved from Apes. They REJECT God's Truth which shows that Humans arrived on this Planet, from Adam's world, 10k years ago, in the Ark.

But didn't you previously say, in essence, that you accept evolution with the one exception being human evolution as we are aliens from an Ark that God teleported here from another world? Let me put it this way, if we take humans out of the equation do you consider evolution true i.e. microbes in the water evolved into fish, then amphibians, reptiles, mammals, etc?

Then go ahead and study your Paraphrased version of Scripture and you will NEVER understand Scripture because you are studying the ideas of mortal men and NOT of God, since your version does NOT agree with the original Hebrew and Greek. Also, Science has CONFIRMED that "every living creature that moves" had it's origin in the water, some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Can you tell us HOW men knew this thousands of years before Science? Of course not since it's PROOF of God.

I do try to get as close to the original as I can, and honestly if all you do is look at the KJV you are not trying very hard yourself.

From the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges, commentary on Genesis 1:20-21: Genesis 1 Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
Literally, the words mean “let the waters swarm swarms, even living soul”: and the purpose of the command is that the waters are to teem with myriads of living animals. Hence the R.V. margin, “swarm with swarms of living creatures” is closer to the original; but it fails to reproduce the phrase “living soul,” in apposition to the word translated “swarms.” No translation is satisfactory which fails to give prominence to the thought, that the waters are to teem with things endowed with a wondrous new gift, the active principle of animal life, which the Hebrews called nephesh.... The rendering “the moving creature” went wrong in following the ancient versions, which supposed that the word rendered in the margin “swarm,” denoted only “creeping things” or “reptiles.” LXX ἑρπετὰ ψυχῶν ζωσῶν. Lat. reptile animae viventis. This gives an entirely false impression. The command is for the creation of all sorts of water animals.... The writer does not directly speak of fish; but the water animals are described under two main classes, which would include all marine and fresh-water creatures.... The translation of the A.V., “great whales,” was based upon the versions LXX τὰ κήτη τὰ μεγάλα, Vulg. cete grandia; but the word is used of any animals of vast size. Moreover, there is no probability that the warm-blooded marine animal, which we call a “whale,” was known to the Israelites.


(My writing again) The first life that God creates is in Genesis 1:11-12, where God creates "seed-bearing plants" on the "land" on day 3. You need to read Genesis more carefully or something because it doesn't say that the first life was in the water, but plant life on the land.

I agree since Godless men have REJECTED God's LITERAL Truth and declared it to be Myth, Allegory and Fiction. Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the first Earth was made. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually, on the 6th Day, AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

I mean really, none of that is in the Bible. Day 3 is Genesis 1:9-13, all God does is create land by gathering the seas and then creates plant life on land. Then read Genesis 1:24-31, day 6, God creates Adam on day 6. And I'm pretty sure Genesis 1-2 takes place before Genesis 4.

I think you mean agriculture, since the sons of God (prehistoric people) didn't have enough sense to drop a seed in the ground, or build themselves a lean to, to sleep in. IF Noah had not arrived on our Planet, we would STILL be looking for a hole to sleep in tonight, since Noah brought the unique Human intelligence of Adam to this Planet of dumb animals. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You in several posts said that buildings (architecture) and writing were indicators of this super intelligence we got from Adam. I'm just wondering why there is almost a 5,000 year gap between permanent architecture and writing if they are both the products of this super intelligence?

Domestication of plants and animals should coincide with the first permanent settlements; if you don't have a permanent place to live there is no point in domesticating animals or plants as we were living a nomadic lifestyle at the time.

I think you are severely underestimating the intelligence of ancient humans. Like others have said, drop yourself out in the true wilderness without modern technology or understanding and see how far you get. You will not be building houses or making a pristine garden or writing an epic tale, you will be lucky to forage enough food and water to survive while sleeping in a makeshift shelter. You wouldn't even be able to reproduce the stone tools used by those stupid humans.

 

[Sapiens]

I have a question for evolutionists.

1 - When did human intelligence evolve,IOW since when humans were able to think and talk ?

You are asking to create a dichotomy between humans and animals that does not exist based upon things not stipulated to and not in evidence. Stupid questions can draw naught but stupid answers.